What is the best country in bot games?

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Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by Bladerunners » Tue Jan 07, 2025 10:04 am

If only the 2 young guys who developed bots had listened to web community about semantics / purpose / history of the game ... sigh ....

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by DougJoe » Thu Dec 26, 2024 6:55 pm

DougJoe wrote: ↑
Thu Dec 26, 2024 2:44 am
Pengwinja wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:20 pm
 I love DougJoe’s Google documents! Think you should include some terrain, though.
My younger brother gave me a t-shirt for Christmas that he designed that has a cool Diplomacy logo on the front and a summary of my bot game results on the back. I'll post links to pictures sometime soon, it's pretty cool.
Pic links over in this post: https://webdiplomacy.net/contrib/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?p=441170#p441170

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by DougJoe » Thu Dec 26, 2024 2:44 am

Pengwinja wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:20 pm
 I love DougJoe’s Google documents! Think you should include some terrain, though.
My younger brother gave me a t-shirt for Christmas that he designed that has a cool Diplomacy logo on the front and a summary of my bot game results on the back. I'll post links to pictures sometime soon, it's pretty cool.

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by Bladerunners » Fri Dec 20, 2024 8:34 am

The diplomacy community really failed in teaching the bot creators the purpose of the game / semantics of the game /

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by DougJoe » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:35 pm

BaneTheImpenetrable wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:02 pm
DougJoe wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:10 pm


https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=1260768

...yes, Italy attacked... but Turkey went after Russia and they got into it, so I had some breathing room and made it work (I kind of especially like that I took no Turkish or Russian home centers). That makes 17/83 for Austria, which is just over 20%. I feel like 1 solo out of 5 with Austria is doing pretty well.
The one french army just marching through Austria to Budapest be like: :smirk:
Yeah, that was pretty funny, wasn't it?

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by BaneTheImpenetrable » Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:02 pm

DougJoe wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:10 pm
Bladerunners wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2024 8:58 am
 any country other than austria :-) especially as the bot creators did;nt really understand the game of diplomacy and strangely programmed italy to attack austria 90% of the time which is unlike any format of real diplomacy
It's a lot, but (as I think I've said before) it's not as much as you think it is.

In any case, I just finished this one, which was game #83 as Austria:

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=1260768

...yes, Italy attacked... but Turkey went after Russia and they got into it, so I had some breathing room and made it work (I kind of especially like that I took no Turkish or Russian home centers). That makes 17/83 for Austria, which is just over 20%. I feel like 1 solo out of 5 with Austria is doing pretty well.

I'm up to 581 bot games, 83 as each power. I don't cancel games where the bot opening moves are unfavorable. In any case, as usual, full stats are available here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfIraEmmONofeeI0scnzycsxokDLlrEK-rat572-S-I/edit?usp=sharing
The one french army just marching through Austria to Budapest be like: :smirk:

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by DougJoe » Wed Dec 11, 2024 6:30 pm

Pengwinja wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:08 pm
 Interesting, it seems the only way to win the game is to not play.

Would you like to play a game of chess? (I think that’s the quote)
Close, it's "How about a nice game of chess?" (and I can hear the inflections in my head) +1 anyway for getting it.

One of my favorite movies.

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by Pengwinja » Wed Dec 11, 2024 4:08 pm

Interesting, it seems the only way to win the game is to not play.

Would you like to play a game of chess? (I think that’s the quote)

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by DougJoe » Wed Dec 11, 2024 2:14 pm

Pengwinja wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:58 pm
 DougJoe is CICERO.
JOSHUA, maybe (Greetings Professor Falken) - I'm an 80's kid and I wish I was as good as how good I remember hearing CICERO was.

(Now I'm wondering if any of the young'ns will get that reference...)

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by Pengwinja » Tue Dec 10, 2024 7:58 pm

DougJoe is CICERO.

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by DougJoe » Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:44 pm

Ernst_Brenner wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:26 pm
 "I'm up to 581 bot games, 83 as each power"

I think we all know who the bot is.
I play various games with co-workers at lunchtime, they also accuse me of being a robot.

It's taken a *long* time to play that many games, although I do hope to get up to 700 total (100 for each power).

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by Ernst_Brenner » Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:26 pm

"I'm up to 581 bot games, 83 as each power"

I think we all know who the bot is.

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by Pengwinja » Tue Dec 10, 2024 6:20 pm

I love DougJoe’s Google documents! Think you should include some terrain, though.

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by DougJoe » Tue Dec 10, 2024 4:10 pm

Bladerunners wrote: ↑
Tue Dec 10, 2024 8:58 am
 any country other than austria :-) especially as the bot creators did;nt really understand the game of diplomacy and strangely programmed italy to attack austria 90% of the time which is unlike any format of real diplomacy
It's a lot, but (as I think I've said before) it's not as much as you think it is.

In any case, I just finished this one, which was game #83 as Austria:

https://webdiplomacy.net/board.php?gameID=1260768

...yes, Italy attacked... but Turkey went after Russia and they got into it, so I had some breathing room and made it work (I kind of especially like that I took no Turkish or Russian home centers). That makes 17/83 for Austria, which is just over 20%. I feel like 1 solo out of 5 with Austria is doing pretty well.

I'm up to 581 bot games, 83 as each power. I don't cancel games where the bot opening moves are unfavorable. In any case, as usual, full stats are available here: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gfIraEmmONofeeI0scnzycsxokDLlrEK-rat572-S-I/edit?usp=sharing

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by Bladerunners » Tue Dec 10, 2024 8:58 am

any country other than austria :-) especially as the bot creators did;nt really understand the game of diplomacy and strangely programmed italy to attack austria 90% of the time which is unlike any format of real diplomacy

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by learnedSloth » Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:52 pm

BaneTheImpenetrable wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:06 pm
learnedSloth wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:46 pm
BaneTheImpenetrable wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:30 pm
 Wait is a Lepanto when Italy convoys to Tunisia, then convoys to Syria to conquer Turkey?
That's the plan. However, experienced Turkeys notice it and build another fleet.
https://webdiplomacy.net/beta/?gameID=1257020 it can still work, you just have to play technically and precisely
In that game Turkey's other fleet was stuck in the Black Sea. Moving A Smy to Con in S1901 was fatal.

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by BaneTheImpenetrable » Sat Dec 07, 2024 6:06 pm

learnedSloth wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:46 pm
BaneTheImpenetrable wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:30 pm
DiplomacyandWarfare wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:55 pm
Probably because most Lepantos only succeed if Turkey doesn't build a fleet, which it is optimal to do if you see a Lepanto (and therefore bots assume Turkey probably will).
Wait is a Lepanto when Italy convoys to Tunisia, then convoys to Syria to conquer Turkey?
That's the plan. However, experienced Turkeys notice it and build another fleet.
https://webdiplomacy.net/beta/?gameID=1257020 it can still work, you just have to play technically and precisely

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by learnedSloth » Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:46 pm

BaneTheImpenetrable wrote: ↑
Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:30 pm
DiplomacyandWarfare wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:55 pm
BaneTheImpenetrable wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:37 am
 Italy didn't use to do that until about 10-ish months ago and now Austria-Hungary is much harder.
Probably because most Lepantos only succeed if Turkey doesn't build a fleet, which it is optimal to do if you see a Lepanto (and therefore bots assume Turkey probably will).
Wait is a Lepanto when Italy convoys to Tunisia, then convoys to Syria to conquer Turkey?
That's the plan. However, experienced Turkeys notice it and build another fleet.

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by BaneTheImpenetrable » Sat Dec 07, 2024 5:30 pm

DiplomacyandWarfare wrote: ↑
Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:55 pm
BaneTheImpenetrable wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:37 am
Bladerunners wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:49 am
 Austria has less of a chance in bots games than in any other format of game as developers strangely programmed italy to attack austria 80-90% of the time (bad strategy for italy most of the time). Too bad developers didn't program bots to learn
Italy didn't use to do that until about 10-ish months ago and now Austria-Hungary is much harder.
Probably because most Lepantos only succeed if Turkey doesn't build a fleet, which it is optimal to do if you see a Lepanto (and therefore bots assume Turkey probably will).
Wait is a Lepanto when Italy convoys to Tunisia, then convoys to Syria to conquer Turkey?

Re: What is the best country in bot games?

by DiplomacyandWarfare » Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:55 pm

BaneTheImpenetrable wrote: ↑
Fri Nov 29, 2024 12:37 am
Bladerunners wrote: ↑
Mon Nov 11, 2024 4:49 am
 Austria has less of a chance in bots games than in any other format of game as developers strangely programmed italy to attack austria 80-90% of the time (bad strategy for italy most of the time). Too bad developers didn't program bots to learn
Italy didn't use to do that until about 10-ish months ago and now Austria-Hungary is much harder.
Probably because most Lepantos only succeed if Turkey doesn't build a fleet, which it is optimal to do if you see a Lepanto (and therefore bots assume Turkey probably will).

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