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Question about support
I was under this impression: If a unit is ordered to move, and it is attacked in its original place, it must defend. Therefore, another unit can be ordered to support it in holding. I am in another dip club and I was just told that if a unit moves, it cannot be supported to hold, even if attacked. Can someone please clarify?
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Re: Question about support
A unit's support is either in holding or moving. If the unit being supported is moving, the only support that counts is support in moving. If the unit being supported is NOT moving, it must be supported 'holding' for the support to possibly have effect.
Wow... how wordy.
In short, nope. When you order a unit to move, it cannot be supported as if it were holding.
Wow... how wordy.
In short, nope. When you order a unit to move, it cannot be supported as if it were holding.
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Re: Question about support
perhaps, fourofswords... you were thinking about a unit ordered to SUPPORT an attack. THAT unit, if attacked, instead merely defends, and CAN be supported in place. The supporting-the-attack unit... not the unit actually moving.
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Re: Question about support
thanks for the 2 answers so far. they seem contradictory. let me clarify the situation: My Unit A is moving. My unit B is ordered to support that unit. I did not designate that Unit B is supporting a Hold. Unit B is definitely not ordered to support Unit A's move/attack. Unit B is merely ordered to support unit A. I thought that if unit A is attacked, unit B supports it as if unit A was holding based on the fact that a unit attacked must defend instead of move. Now if it possible, lol, can anyone clarify?
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Re: Question about support
On webdip (and others) supports are clarified into "support move" and "support hold". From the rulebook:
A Par S A Mar–Bur
A Mar-Bur
Valid:
A Par S A Mar holds
A Mar holds
What you are trying to do is this:
A Par S Mar
A Mar-Bur
"A Par S Mar" is ambiguous and invalid because you didn't specify what Mar is doing.
Valid:Writing a support order
1. Write your unit type (A or F).
2. Then write the province where your unit is located. 3. Then, write an “S” (for Support).
4.Finally, write the type, current location, and
destination of the unit receiving support (if the supported unit is moving).
Example: “A Par S A Mar–Bur” orders an Army in Paris to support an Army in Marseilles moving into Burgundy.
A Par S A Mar–Bur
A Mar-Bur
Valid:
A Par S A Mar holds
A Mar holds
What you are trying to do is this:
A Par S Mar
A Mar-Bur
"A Par S Mar" is ambiguous and invalid because you didn't specify what Mar is doing.
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Re: Question about support
The error comes from this line: "as if unit A was holding based on the fact that a unit attacked must defend instead of move." There is no "as if." Your units receive orders based on what you order... not based on what ends up happening.fourofswords wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:15 pmthanks for the 2 answers so far. they seem contradictory. let me clarify the situation: My Unit A is moving. My unit B is ordered to support that unit. I did not designate that Unit B is supporting a Hold. Unit B is definitely not ordered to support Unit A's move/attack. Unit B is merely ordered to support unit A. I thought that if unit A is attacked, unit B supports it as if unit A was holding based on the fact that a unit attacked must defend instead of move. Now if it possible, lol, can anyone clarify?
Unit A was ordered to move. The ONLY support Unit A can receive is to move. Ordering another unit to support A IN CASE he doesn't end up moving does not have any effect.
Re: Question about support
Another interwsting dynamic that always gets me to stop and think is the following:
Austria has armies in Vienna and Trieste. Turkey in Budapest and Serbia.
Vienna moves to Budapest with Trieste support
Budapest moves to Trieste with Serbia support
What happens?
Scenerio 2:
Vienna moves to Budapest with Trieste support
Serbia moves to Trieste with Budapest support
What happens?
Austria has armies in Vienna and Trieste. Turkey in Budapest and Serbia.
Vienna moves to Budapest with Trieste support
Budapest moves to Trieste with Serbia support
What happens?
Scenerio 2:
Vienna moves to Budapest with Trieste support
Serbia moves to Trieste with Budapest support
What happens?
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Re: Question about support
Not only that, but the support order must "match" the movement order. Support cannot be given for movement in general.dargorygel wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:55 pmThe error comes from this line: "as if unit A was holding based on the fact that a unit attacked must defend instead of move." There is no "as if." Your units receive orders based on what you order... not based on what ends up happening.fourofswords wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 6:15 pmthanks for the 2 answers so far. they seem contradictory. let me clarify the situation: My Unit A is moving. My unit B is ordered to support that unit. I did not designate that Unit B is supporting a Hold. Unit B is definitely not ordered to support Unit A's move/attack. Unit B is merely ordered to support unit A. I thought that if unit A is attacked, unit B supports it as if unit A was holding based on the fact that a unit attacked must defend instead of move. Now if it possible, lol, can anyone clarify?
Unit A was ordered to move. The ONLY support Unit A can receive is to move. Ordering another unit to support A IN CASE he doesn't end up moving does not have any effect.
Re: Question about support
Turkey takes Trieste and dislodges the army there (forcing a retreat). Austria takes empty Budapest with power 1.dyager_nh wrote: ↑Thu Mar 21, 2019 10:26 pmAnother interwsting dynamic that always gets me to stop and think is the following:
Austria has armies in Vienna and Trieste. Turkey in Budapest and Serbia.
Vienna moves to Budapest with Trieste support
Budapest moves to Trieste with Serbia support
What happens?
Trieste support is cut. Budapest support is cut. All armies remain in place.Scenerio 2:
Vienna moves to Budapest with Trieste support
Serbia moves to Trieste with Budapest support
What happens?
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Re: Question about support
Is it valid to order, for example:
A Spa S A Mar
A Mar S A Spa
If so, does each effectively support the other in a hold action?
A Spa S A Mar
A Mar S A Spa
If so, does each effectively support the other in a hold action?
Re: Question about support
Yes.Lord of Broken Plains wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:08 amIs it valid to order, for example:
A Spa S A Mar
A Mar S A Spa
Yes.Lord of Broken Plains wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2019 7:08 amIf so, does each effectively support the other in a hold action?
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