Mafia 41 - Sid Meiers Civilizaton Mafia - Official Game Thread

[LordQuas]

I certainly wouldn't kill a fellow wolf in that position. squigs wasn't a big target.
and there are plenty of mislynches

squigs is mechanically confirmed scum

[CrimsonFox]

duh he was killed

[bozotheclown]

I totally thought I was going to be lynched. But the point of voting for Squigs, despite him being a weak scum read, was more that I was not voting for Bozo, since if I'm already voting for the counterwagon, I can't very well put my vote where it my save me, can I.

And before anyone jumps on this as conniving (and thereby scummy), it's totally NAI. Obviously, scum want to save themself and they don't care where they vote so long as it's for town, but if you're town and about to mislynched, yes, you should vote to save yourself.

I believe that is what you were doing, and that it makes sense as town or scum, although the choice of someone no one else was voting for that turned out to be scum does leave open the possibility you were bussing him. However, it is Squigs voting for ghug at the last minute that makes you look bad. Why do you think Squigs moved to a wagon he knew was about to flip town (or possibly SK)?

[bozotheclown]

Here Squigs starts a wagon on DemonRHK even though he lists Foxcastle as a scum read and Foxcastle is already a viable wagon.

Ran out of time I'm afraid.

Quick summary of top reads:

Scum: CrimsonFox, damo666, DemonRHK, Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk
Town: Ike, LordQuas, Nephthys, Vecna

Everyone else could go either way.

##Vote DemonRHK

Two minutes later he changed his vote.

##vote FoxCastle

Yeah thatll do

A Foxcastle wagon? Probably more viable than a DemonRHK wagon.

##Vote Foxcastle

He may have decided he should be bussing Foxcastle there, or someone could have suggested it in the mafia QT.

[LordQuas]

well WAS mechanically confirmed scum, you were saying you wouldn't bus him there

[LordQuas]

and that he wasn't a big target and there were plenty of MLs

[Foxcastle]

I totally thought I was going to be lynched. But the point of voting for Squigs, despite him being a weak scum read, was more that I was not voting for Bozo, since if I'm already voting for the counterwagon, I can't very well put my vote where it my save me, can I.

And before anyone jumps on this as conniving (and thereby scummy), it's totally NAI. Obviously, scum want to save themself and they don't care where they vote so long as it's for town, but if you're town and about to mislynched, yes, you should vote to save yourself.

I believe that is what you were doing, and that it makes sense as town or scum, although the choice of someone no one else was voting for that turned out to be scum does leave open the possibility you were bussing him. However, it is Squigs voting for ghug at the last minute that makes you look bad. Why do you think Squigs moved to a wagon he knew was about to flip town (or possibly SK)?

To give credit where it's due, Bozo, I learned it from you

[Vecna]

I totally thought I was going to be lynched. But the point of voting for Squigs, despite him being a weak scum read, was more that I was not voting for Bozo, since if I'm already voting for the counterwagon, I can't very well put my vote where it my save me, can I.

And before anyone jumps on this as conniving (and thereby scummy), it's totally NAI. Obviously, scum want to save themself and they don't care where they vote so long as it's for town, but if you're town and about to mislynched, yes, you should vote to save yourself.

I believe that is what you were doing, and that it makes sense as town or scum, although the choice of someone no one else was voting for that turned out to be scum does leave open the possibility you were bussing him. However, it is Squigs voting for ghug at the last minute that makes you look bad. Why do you think Squigs moved to a wagon he knew was about to flip town (or possibly SK)?

The answer to that is rather obvious if Fox is town......(to make it look like he was saved and create another easy mislynch for scum).

[Vecna]

Here Squigs starts a wagon on DemonRHK even though he lists Foxcastle as a scum read and Foxcastle is already a viable wagon.

Ran out of time I'm afraid.

Quick summary of top reads:

Scum: CrimsonFox, damo666, DemonRHK, Foxcastle, Jamiet99uk
Town: Ike, LordQuas, Nephthys, Vecna

Everyone else could go either way.

##Vote DemonRHK

Two minutes later he changed his vote.

##vote FoxCastle

Yeah thatll do

A Foxcastle wagon? Probably more viable than a DemonRHK wagon.

##Vote Foxcastle

He may have decided he should be bussing Foxcastle there, or someone could have suggested it in the mafia QT.

Oh, that post does change the outlook on it somewhat

[Nephthys]

Just gonna pull back this question from my wall that haven't been answered;

@Darg why did you not change your vote, if you were to change it who would you have voted for and why, or were you happy to lynch LQ

[Jamiet99uk]

I got the need, the need for reads. Check out my read-y reads indeed:

I would save these for the very end of the phase but I may not be on.


1. doubtingthomas - 70% town. Missing the start appears genuine. He has been earnest and involved since then.

2. Nephthys - 70% town. He's active and asking questions whereas as scum I recall he sat back more and tried to blend in.

3. Squigs44 - Dead scum.

4. ND / Flash - 55% scum. ND was lurking hard which he does as scum, and Flash hasn't done anything to change my view.

5. xorxes - Dead town. RIP.

6. worcej - 50% null. He is hard to read. I will re-read him soon if I can.

7. DrCJG - Dead town. RIP.

8. Jamiet99uk - 100% town. I think there is a strong chance I will be killed tonight which would be a royal pain. If I die, avenge me!

9. damo666 - 90% town.

10. bozotheclown - 66% scum. Looks like he was saved EoD1.

11. Ghug - Dead town. What a shame, how sad, never mind.

12. rdrivera2005 - Dead town. Heroic. RIP.

13. Ezio - Dead town. RIP.

14. Vecna - 65% town. Seems his usual aggravating town self. If not town, I'd lean SK.

15. DemonRHK - 70% town. His performance during the gladiator call doesn't look forced or scummy to me.

16. Foxcastle - 55% scum. Maybe he was saved? Possible bussing involving Squigs.

17. Raging Garden Gnome - 100% town because he used his vig shot.

18. dargorygel - 50% null, the other person I need to do a re-read on.

19. lord quas - 70% town. I don't know his meta but he is actively hunting and I like his efforts so far. Seems earnest and investigative.

20. crimsonfox - 55% scum. Foxes are a bit like wolves, and he's been doing a lot of irrelevant shit.

[Jamiet99uk]

@Dargorygel:

Who is "Bama"?

[CrimsonFox]

jamie outing yay

[dargorygel]

@Dargorygel:

Who is "Bama"?

Short for Alabama. College Football (gridiron) Championship game.

[Jamiet99uk]

jamie outing yay

Hmm?

I'm Vanilla Town, if you're speculating about my role.

The two people I'm totally sure are town are me and Garden Gnome. Damo very close after that.

I've re-read Dargorygel and I'm leaning town.

Now Worcej.

[Nephthys]

jamie outing yay

Hmm?

I'm Vanilla Town, if you're speculating about my role.

The two people I'm totally sure are town are me and Garden Gnome. Damo very close after that.

I've re-read Dargorygel and I'm leaning town.

Now Worcej.

Why is Gnome town, if he was a scum day1 vig then it could have played out very similar to how it actually did

[Jamiet99uk]

Uh, no Netflix.

Check the roles doc from Google Docs:

NUBIA - 1 SHOT DAY VIG
Amanitore, watchful Queen of Nubia, the empire you command shall claim the horizon as its border. Don't fear those who covet your abundant gold, for your archers can part their hair at five hundred paces. Your cities shall know prosperity and piety, wise queen, for the Land of the Bow honors its past as surely as it builds its own future.

During the Ancient Era you are a 1 shot day vigilante. Afterwards you become Vanilla Town.

You may not save your shot. But you may opt not to shoot.

[Jamiet99uk]

See how it says "You become Vanilla Town".

Go check it, I'm quoting accurately.

[Nephthys]

See how it says "You become Vanilla Town".

Go check it, I'm quoting accurately.

Funky funky funky.

I'm gonna go a read the doc properly now...

[Jamiet99uk]

Quiet EoN.
Annoying I'm actually able to be here and could have held my reads til now...