MAfIA 84 - A VERY TENDER THANKSGIVING GAME THREAD

[bozotheclown]

RIP Spirit

Definitely a weird kill… was not on my radar at all unless there was a fake crumb I must have missed or something.

Going with ##vote will for now. Still thinking sweet was public coaching him versus pocketing.

He placed a critical vote to get sweetandcool DKed and might have been correct about BunnyGo and/or Just.

[Temasek22]

How interesting? As interesting as "sit back with popcorn?" Or interesting because it's a placeholder adjective to hide your true feelings?

What do you make of the development?

I was looking through Hamilton's old posts since sweet apparently has a history of advocating for bussing and Ham was sweet's first vote, and saw this one which I missed the first time I was reading through the thread

I found Macca voting for Bona due to his predecessor's actions and pulling out due to out-of-game stuff fairly interesting. A "sit back with popcorn" feel perhaps, and since the sweet wagon was going nowhere at the time I made my post I changed my vote

Macca didn't say anything about the sub request as a reason for scum reading that slot.

I probably worded it poorly, but I was aware that the substitution had no impact on Macca's vote, in fact, it made Macca pull her vote out of ND/Bona

From my view, the way things happened was.

>ND acted very hostile, enough for Macca to think he's scum on reread
>ND subs out for Bona
>Macca rereads the thread due to missing early game, and votes for Bona due to ND's actions before subbing out
>Macca changes vote to No Kill due to out-of-game factors regarding Bona

I just found this sequence interesting, and suspicious on first glance. But come to think of it now it feels more like town behaviour

[bozotheclown]

I was looking through Hamilton's old posts since sweet apparently has a history of advocating for bussing and Ham was sweet's first vote, and saw this one which I missed the first time I was reading through the thread

I found Macca voting for Bona due to his predecessor's actions and pulling out due to out-of-game stuff fairly interesting. A "sit back with popcorn" feel perhaps, and since the sweet wagon was going nowhere at the time I made my post I changed my vote

Macca didn't say anything about the sub request as a reason for scum reading that slot.

I probably worded it poorly, but I was aware that the substitution had no impact on Macca's vote, in fact, it made Macca pull her vote out of ND/Bona

From my view, the way things happened was.

>ND acted very hostile, enough for Macca to think he's scum on reread
>ND subs out for Bona
>Macca rereads the thread due to missing early game, and votes for Bona due to ND's actions before subbing out
>Macca changes vote to No Kill due to out-of-game factors regarding Bona

I just found this sequence interesting, and suspicious on first glance. But come to think of it now it feels more like town behaviour

Macca indicated she was reading the thread for the first time not long before placing her vote, other than that I think your summary is accurate.

[bozotheclown]

If Just is mafia, that would mean 12 players ended D1 voting for mafia. Even if all of the mafia were bussing, that does not seem particularly likely.

[ghug]

ok which one of you didn't like the bio spirit wrote about you

This is kind of sus.

RIP Spirit.

##VOTE Just

Would also do Temasek or Bona. Jamie/damo/Bunny is the next tier.

I townread bozo and Macca and that's kind of it, guess I don't really want worcej either, so my goal for the day is more townreads.

Ghug: calls out heartthrob

Also Ghug: voted me for heartthrobs post

I contain multitudes.

[BunnyGo]

Anyways, I think this upcoming day is going to be mainly based around trying to figure out what the hell happened D1. I will answer any questions pertaining to my motives but other than that I may not be as active as I usually am, as I am kind of sick

Get well soon.

[ghug]

ok which one of you didn't like the bio spirit wrote about you

This is kind of sus.

RIP Spirit.

##VOTE Just

Would also do Temasek or Bona. Jamie/damo/Bunny is the next tier.

I townread bozo and Macca and that's kind of it, guess I don't really want worcej either, so my goal for the day is more townreads.

Why Macca and bozo town?

Why bona scum?

I found the Bona vote everyone scumread to be a sign of townie notgivingafuckness from Macca, and the fact that sweet was the one pushing that ND wagon and the way the Macca and sweet wagons compete also point to town Macca to me. Bozo is being bozo. I think ND was bad and I think sweet's weird fake ness around that push could be explained by bussing.

[ghug]

Ghug is just looking for an easy excuse to kill me. I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill in me

What do you and spirit have to do with each other?

I think Ghug is pointing out how spirit wanted me to be a day kill , and then saw an extremely easy miskill to take advantage of

I never listen to the opinions of the dead. I don't have to, because they're dead.

I just think you're scum.

[ghug]

RIP Spirit

This is sus. No one would ever in a million years say it is nice to meet Spirit. Last time I felt like I was trapped in hell having to deal with his idiocy.

How dare you? I am really supposed to wake up from a pot roast induced nap to this cruelty? Its the fucking holidays you fuck. LOVE YOUR FELLOW FUCKING MAN!

Anyway, in the name of being too nice to new players and leaning into my stupid scum adjacent town meta. Let's meet the jabronis, keep in mind I played one game with most of them recently, and I was mafia, and some others years ago which I only partly remember, but here are my profiles:

1. JustAGuyNamedWill - Bit of a sweetheart, bit of a problem. Last game he was the literal epitome of newb town and said a lot of really suspect shit, which made ND scum read him super hard and tunnel him for most of the game. I advocated for keeping him alive in the mafia chat because ND wanting to sniff his feet took up all the air in the thread and made it easier for us mafia to hide. He stayed alive until the end and got miskilled which won us the game, so it was a good move. He was super easy to buddy as mafia, and I do genuinely like the little guy, but also I am 50/50 if we should kill him early since he is highly likely to be a miskill in the late game, and now that I am town, I'd rather not have that.

2. ghug - He is experienced. Brain has told me he has done some for real mafia tourneys or some crap. I like him, but I did murder him immediately last game since I was a mafia with a gun and decided he was a good kill day 1 and I think he was. He is a force, and if he survives for a long time without dying and without a good reason for him being town, I read him as scum. In other social deduction games, I have referred to this effect as the high price of being hot shit.

3. sweetandcool - Was mafia with me last game. Likes to talk and I wish I'd have seen more of him, but he got pushy on day 1 getting a wagon on hamilton brian and brian had a gun and shot em. Bad luck. Maybe a little overzealous but seems like a good kid.

4. Damo666 - This guy was one of my main tunnels all last game. He makes it kind of easy since he kind of just jumps around and tries to start shit with people. I'm not sure how much his behavior helps town and I used that as a good enough reason to tunnel him as mafia last game. As town now looking back, I think I have a similar opinion, but let's see if he can be more useful this game. He did end up getting a doc save and got cleared, at which point we had to kill him because he also caught the remaining scum team in his reads. So there is probably a method to his madness.

5.Jamiet99uk -Our lovely GM from last game. I haven't played with him in a game in years, but I remember him being super out there but a generally enjoyable character. probably is sophisticated enough to pull off a big brain mafia play but also might fire from the hip often enough where it will blow up in his face. Idk, i do just like the boy because he is fun to have around. He will probably do some wacky shit regardless of alignment, but maybe he has matured idk.

6. Hamilton Brian - This guy is a bit all over the place. I feel like he just says stuff a lot to get a rise out of people and tries to get some reads from doing it, but more often that doesnt really seem to work. He was a pretty open-town clear all last game and struggled to hunt late in the game. Not sure if it was that he lost interest or just had a difficult time with the pool of unclears, but he did make some pivotal moves for town last game, just wasnt enough to synch it up at the end.

7. ND - If you can't tell from our posts, we're deeply in love. He is kind of unhinged and I genuinely find it adorable. Easily pissed off in a way that I genuinely think is just his character, others are confident he just IS like that. idk. I really enjoy him whether I'm bickering with him or flirting with him, or just watching in awe as he almost became mafia MVP as a town last game after stealing a gun from a towny and then using it to kill that same towny. Living him alive as scum was a solid move. But to his credit, EVERYONE WAS JUST FUCKING COOL WITH IT AFTER HE SHOT THAT GUY!!!!!!!! Idk, he is a legend, a really really strange legend. Literally shot a guy on 5th Avenue and didn't lose any supporters. There is a charisma to his unhinged diatribes and genuine disgust with himself when he fucks up. He literally just quoted Rush Limbaugh, and I still just wanna pinch his little cheeks every time he posts.

8. worcej - This guy is fun, he didn't show up to post much in the last game, but still found the entire scum team in his reads. I pulled a really dirty move to get him killed last game after he soft town cleared himself with his role. I found it a good enough move to basically sacrifice myself as mafia to kill him once he was cleared and had perfect reads. He shouted me down as scum hard core for killing him, and he was right, and it got me killed the next day. I think it was absolutely the right move since we did end up winning, and even having one extra clear probably would have made that impossible, let alone one with a read on the remaining scum team. He maintains he isn't that good usually, so we will see, but he has a way about him. Hope he still doesn't hate me for what I did, but evil is as evil does

(6)9. Chaqa - I remember his guy from years ago. Barely posts? Hard to read? Thats usually what I remember.

10. Macca573 - Haven't seen a lot of big plays out of her. She used her scan power last game to confirm a person was scum that everyone basically already knew was scum and sheeped a kind of clear HB's vote most of the remaining time she was alive. Had problems being around at the end of day and I used that as a means to kill worcej last game despite him being soft cleared. Seems nice in general, but I'd like to see more hunting out of her.

11. SpiritoftheRadio - Sexy, smells like donuts in real life. Willing to do what is necessary to win but likes to bullshit a whole whole lot. When I am scum, I just forget that I am and play as I normally would in most circumstances. Works great in most games, harder in this game since it goes on so long. I got called scummy for using math last game, but I am a trained physicist and I just think like that, so haters can hate if they want.

12. Rdrivera2005 - Pretty decent hunter, and the only one who made it late into the game. His trust in my mafia teammate was one of the main reasons we won last game though so he doesn't always get it right. He also was one of the only people in town not trying to kill me after I killed worcej, so maybe he isn't a super hunter now that I think about it. But he does provide decent analysis from what I remember. Never completely figured out how I would read him and I imagine he'd be harder to catch as scum than manipulate as town. I have a surprisingly vague read on his character despite him being alive longer than most last game and I remember playing with him years ago. But I can't really tell you his meta. Don't know why.

13. BunnyGo - new player to me and the reason this big post is happening, hi hi and good luck.

These next two are also new players to me:
14. heartthrob24909
15. Temasek22

16. bozo - Bozo's cool. I remember playing with him when he was a noob before but he seems to be pretty competent now which is neat to see. We killed him fairly early last game because he was doing a decent job hunting and I think he has been scum before a long time ago and knows how to fly under the radar when he needs to.

This post probs rubbed someone the wrong way

Temasek/heartthrob team confirmed.

[BunnyGo]

This is kind of sus.

RIP Spirit.

##VOTE Just

Would also do Temasek or Bona. Jamie/damo/Bunny is the next tier.

I townread bozo and Macca and that's kind of it, guess I don't really want worcej either, so my goal for the day is more townreads.

Why Macca and bozo town?

Why bona scum?

I found the Bona vote everyone scumread to be a sign of townie notgivingafuckness from Macca, and the fact that sweet was the one pushing that ND wagon and the way the Macca and sweet wagons compete also point to town Macca to me. Bozo is being bozo. I think ND was bad and I think sweet's weird fake ness around that push could be explained by bussing.

Thanks for explaining!

Where is rdr for you? Has he registered at all?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

What do you and spirit have to do with each other?

I think Ghug is pointing out how spirit wanted me to be a day kill , and then saw an extremely easy miskill to take advantage of

In what sense did ghug suggest spirit wanted to kill you?

Why do you then claim "I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill on me"?

That's a bold claim: they decided to off spirit so that you specifically would be collateral damage. Why do you think that?

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

[BunnyGo]

I think Ghug is pointing out how spirit wanted me to be a day kill , and then saw an extremely easy miskill to take advantage of

In what sense did ghug suggest spirit wanted to kill you?

Why do you then claim "I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill on me"?

That's a bold claim: they decided to off spirit so that you specifically would be collateral damage. Why do you think that?

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

OK...

Whom do you think (I won't hold you to it) a possible 3 remaining scum team is?

[BunnyGo]

I think Ghug is pointing out how spirit wanted me to be a day kill , and then saw an extremely easy miskill to take advantage of

In what sense did ghug suggest spirit wanted to kill you?

Why do you then claim "I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill on me"?

That's a bold claim: they decided to off spirit so that you specifically would be collateral damage. Why do you think that?

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

Wait...wasn't that one of his first posts that he later said was a "trap"?

[ghug]

Why Macca and bozo town?

Why bona scum?

I found the Bona vote everyone scumread to be a sign of townie notgivingafuckness from Macca, and the fact that sweet was the one pushing that ND wagon and the way the Macca and sweet wagons compete also point to town Macca to me. Bozo is being bozo. I think ND was bad and I think sweet's weird fake ness around that push could be explained by bussing.

Thanks for explaining!

Where is rdr for you? Has he registered at all?

He hasn't, which is typical.

[ghug]

I think Ghug is pointing out how spirit wanted me to be a day kill , and then saw an extremely easy miskill to take advantage of

In what sense did ghug suggest spirit wanted to kill you?

Why do you then claim "I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill on me"?

That's a bold claim: they decided to off spirit so that you specifically would be collateral damage. Why do you think that?

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

Nobody's pointing to Spirit's read but you. Worcej and I both expressed suspicion of you and sweet pretty early on yesterday. You said yourself that you'd be suspicious if sweet flipped scum. Why do you think this is all coming out of Spirit's death?

[BunnyGo]

In what sense did ghug suggest spirit wanted to kill you?

Why do you then claim "I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill on me"?

That's a bold claim: they decided to off spirit so that you specifically would be collateral damage. Why do you think that?

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

Nobody's pointing to Spirit's read but you. Worcej and I both expressed suspicion of you and sweet pretty early on yesterday. You said yourself that you'd be suspicious if sweet flipped scum. Why do you think this is all coming out of Spirit's death?

Just is only capable of thinking as the center of everything.

I'm starting to understand him.

He's a college student who literally doesn't know what a team is. But that's because everything literally revolves around him. So Spirit dying MUST have something to do with him! And you voting him confirms that somehow.

When I go back and reread his posts with the above in mind, they make a lot more sense.

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

If Just is mafia, that would mean 12 players ended D1 voting for mafia. Even if all of the mafia were bussing, that does not seem particularly likely.

Do you really think afia would only bus more than one of their own? Seems way too risky with no communication. Heck, I think all the mafia may have ended up on sweet at some point, but so believe at least one had to have been on me or Macca

[BunnyGo]

If Just is mafia, that would mean 12 players ended D1 voting for mafia. Even if all of the mafia were bussing, that does not seem particularly likely.

Do you really think afia would only bus more than one of their own? Seems way too risky with no communication. Heck, I think all the mafia may have ended up on sweet at some point, but so believe at least one had to have been on me or Macca

"would only bus more than one of their own"

What does that mean?

Also, you saying "all the mafia voted sweet at some point" is a statement that you believe the following are town:

Bunny, Chaqa, HamB, heart, Macca

yes?

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

In what sense did ghug suggest spirit wanted to kill you?

Why do you then claim "I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill on me"?

That's a bold claim: they decided to off spirit so that you specifically would be collateral damage. Why do you think that?

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

OK...

Whom do you think (I won't hold you to it) a possible 3 remaining scum team is?

No matter how I answer this is going to get me hella suspicions.

The 4 are probably:
Sweet
Ghug because he has no goddamn clue why I am scum, only that I am. Feeling is not enough to warrant a vote.
Other two I have no idea. Is two of: Jamie, Worcej, Heartthrob, Bunny, or taotao

[JustAGuyNamedWill]

In what sense did ghug suggest spirit wanted to kill you?

Why do you then claim "I think mafia killed spirit to get an easy miskill on me"?

That's a bold claim: they decided to off spirit so that you specifically would be collateral damage. Why do you think that?

Spirit said that if I was going to be miskill end late in the game, he’d rather not have that and he preferred if I died early. I think the mafia killed spirit just so they could say “Oh yeah Will was a target of Spirit” then kill me

Nobody's pointing to Spirit's read but you. Worcej and I both expressed suspicion of you and sweet pretty early on yesterday. You said yourself that you'd be suspicious if sweet flipped scum. Why do you think this is all coming out of Spirit's death?

Because you only brought up your suspicions immediately after spirit died. Forgive me for believing that those two events happening hand in hand have a correlation