M80 Game Thread

[Haze with a Z]

damo, I think I would be in the most danger if you are the shooty person, but I am not thinking you are atm

This is tantamount to a vt claim yet you just said you'd be able to clear yourself. Explain.

i will do so tomorrow.

[Haze with a Z]

At least if ghuggy also stays alive.

[damo666]

At least if ghuggy also stays alive.

Intriguing

[Haze with a Z]

At least if ghuggy also stays alive.

Intriguing

ghuggy's the only one that will understand.

[damo666]

At least if ghuggy also stays alive.

Intriguing

ghuggy's the only one that will understand.

Haze hinting at FN? Has he given his teammate away or realised he's doomed and trying to cast aspersions?

[Haze with a Z]

Intriguing

ghuggy's the only one that will understand.

Haze hinting at FN? Has he given his teammate away or realised he's doomed and trying to cast aspersions?

what's an fn?

[sweetandcool]

Intriguing

ghuggy's the only one that will understand.

Haze hinting at FN? Has he given his teammate away or realised he's doomed and trying to cast aspersions?

They've said something along these lines before. Beginning of N1 I think.

Not sure why they are so cryptic about it. I guess they think ghug is the only one capable of reading them, because they've played a game together?

It's weird behavior.

[damo666]

Or he's saying he's capt who RBd ghug.

If Haze is Capt he prove it and avoid a mk 2m by announcing a kill right at EON on Bunny [say] and ofc performing it.

I think he's just caught scum tbh.

[damo666]

ghuggy's the only one that will understand.

Haze hinting at FN? Has he given his teammate away or realised he's doomed and trying to cast aspersions?

what's an fn?

Friendly Neighbour

[brainbomb]

Hey Jamie, I have one more question for you.

Ok so, you think Dousing was driver-swapped with someone other than Foxcastle.

Presumably this would have had no effect, then?

Nobody is claiming any actions relating to Dousing and Dousing is not claiming anything happened to him.

You made this statement

##Call GM
when a person is targeted by a bus driver, do they get a notification informing them that they have been swapped?

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

Then gave Chaqa a +1 for this reply

##Call GM
when a person is targeted by a bus driver, do they get a notification informing them that they have been swapped?

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

Please can you read it for us and tell us what it says.

Then seemed to agree with me that it was written wrong.
What did you like about the way chaqa replied to me?

And then later when I said the only reason I called the GM was because you didnt understand my question, you responded saying:

What??

I was asking you to clarify your theory!!!

To be entirely clear:

I was not presenting any theories about what a Driver may or may not have done to Dousing or Foxcastle or anyone else.

I was not suggesting that the actions of a Driver had, or had not, had any impact on what we currently know.

Brainbomb suggested a theory relating to Dousing being driven, the point of which was not entirely clear to me, and I made several attempts to get him to clarify it.

That is all.

And it sounds like you were stunned that this whole interaction was a result of your comment.

Ok so, you think Dousing was driver-swapped with someone other than Foxcastle.

Presumably this would have had no effect, then?

Nobody is claiming any actions relating to Dousing and Dousing is not claiming anything happened to him.

This statement seems to imply that if someone was driven to dousing that dousing would have known? please clarify what you meant here

[sweetandcool]

Hey Jamie, I have one more question for you.

Ok so, you think Dousing was driver-swapped with someone other than Foxcastle.

Presumably this would have had no effect, then?

Nobody is claiming any actions relating to Dousing and Dousing is not claiming anything happened to him.

You made this statement

##Call GM
when a person is targeted by a bus driver, do they get a notification informing them that they have been swapped?

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

Then gave Chaqa a +1 for this reply

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

Please can you read it for us and tell us what it says.

Then seemed to agree with me that it was written wrong.
What did you like about the way chaqa replied to me?

And then later when I said the only reason I called the GM was because you didnt understand my question, you responded saying:

What??

I was asking you to clarify your theory!!!

To be entirely clear:

I was not presenting any theories about what a Driver may or may not have done to Dousing or Foxcastle or anyone else.

I was not suggesting that the actions of a Driver had, or had not, had any impact on what we currently know.

Brainbomb suggested a theory relating to Dousing being driven, the point of which was not entirely clear to me, and I made several attempts to get him to clarify it.

That is all.

And it sounds like you were stunned that this whole interaction was a result of your comment.

Ok so, you think Dousing was driver-swapped with someone other than Foxcastle.

Presumably this would have had no effect, then?

Nobody is claiming any actions relating to Dousing and Dousing is not claiming anything happened to him.

This statement seems to imply that if someone was driven to dousing that dousing would have known? please clarify what you meant here

I think Jamiet's point was that speculating about Dousing being driven was that it was irrelevant. At least, that was what I thought. Jamiet probably just thought it was strange that you were spending so much time on it, and wanted you to give us an actual reason why we should be spending time on this speculation.

[brainbomb]

there are really only a few circumstances upon which dousing would get a message about anything. what would dousing even have to be able to claim in such a situation?

[brainbomb]

The whole impetus for the theory was that dousing was widely scumread day 1, and was almost the wagon that flipped day 1. And was someone fox had been voting. So if scum was keen on using a driver N1, it seemed to me like dousing was someone that would be a really good choice, because a cop would have potentially scanned dousing to resolve day 1 wagons.

maybe this is just that brainbomb doesnt think like Jamie, and Jamie doesnt think as far ahead as brainbomb. but it also felt like Jamie trying to derail the speculation by misrepresenting what the driver role does, something he would fully understand how it works and why. He has been a GM and has used the role before, and should know that it doesnt provide any notice of a swap to anyone.

He would know dousing would not learn anything here. So I question the motive a bit here. All I can conclude is that Jamie thinks is utterly preposterous scum would have any reason to have used a driver N1 on dousing.

a fact he later backs up by saying as a cop he wouldnt even use a scan N1. Which is either true, and he really wouldnt cop scan N1, or is to back up this moment to look like this is really how he thinks.

[Jamiet99uk]

Hey Jamie, I have one more question for you.

Ok so, you think Dousing was driver-swapped with someone other than Foxcastle.

Presumably this would have had no effect, then?

Nobody is claiming any actions relating to Dousing and Dousing is not claiming anything happened to him.

You made this statement.

##Call GM
when a person is targeted by a bus driver, do they get a notification informing them that they have been swapped?

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

Then gave Chaqa a +1 for this reply.

##GM Note: did you even try looking in the role document

Please can you read it for us and tell us what it says.

Then seemed to agree with me that it was written wrong.
What did you like about the way chaqa replied to me?

The initial statement is clear and remains correct. You were speculating that the Driver might have swapped Dousing and someone else (but, after I clarified with you, you said you were not implying he was swapped with Foxcastle as I originally assumed because immediately prior to that, Foxcastle being driven had been a topic of discussion).

My comment indicated that, if such a swap had happened, it likely would have had no discernible effect that we could respond to (at that point in the game state), since nobody was claiming they had performed any other actions (that might have been driven onto Dousing), and Dousing was not claiming anything had happened to him (ie. as a result of someone being driven onto him).

I gave Chaqa a +1 for two reasons. First, I generally try to +1 the GM every time they post in the thread, because I like receiving +1s myself when I GM, and I like the GM to pay attention to GM calls. Secondly, because your question seemed very basic and Chaqa's reply amused me; it is not normal for people to be notified when they are switched by a Driver - this would negate the utility of the Driver to a considerable degree - and therefore such a non-standard feature would need to be listed in the setup, which it is not.

Finally, I did not agree with you that the setup / roles doc is written wrong. You were mistaken. It was written perfectly straightforwardly. My comment asking Chaqa to "read it for us" was a humourous comment in response to Chaqa's initial jibe at you.

Are we clear now?

[Jamiet99uk]

there are really only a few circumstances upon which dousing would get a message about anything. what would dousing even have to be able to claim in such a situation?

My point exactly.

[Jamiet99uk]

The whole impetus for the theory was that dousing was widely scumread day 1, and was almost the wagon that flipped day 1. And was someone fox had been voting. So if scum was keen on using a driver N1, it seemed to me like dousing was someone that would be a really good choice, because a cop would have potentially scanned dousing to resolve day 1 wagons.

maybe this is just that brainbomb doesnt think like Jamie, and Jamie doesnt think as far ahead as brainbomb. but it also felt like Jamie trying to derail the speculation by misrepresenting what the driver role does, something he would fully understand how it works and why. He has been a GM and has used the role before, and should know that it doesnt provide any notice of a swap to anyone.

He would know dousing would not learn anything here. So I question the motive a bit here. All I can conclude is that Jamie thinks is utterly preposterous scum would have any reason to have used a driver N1 on dousing.

a fact he later backs up by saying as a cop he wouldnt even use a scan N1. Which is either true, and he really wouldnt cop scan N1, or is to back up this moment to look like this is really how he thinks.

Once again, like when it happened originally, you have completely misunderstood what I was saying.

[BunnyGo]

The whole impetus for the theory was that dousing was widely scumread day 1, and was almost the wagon that flipped day 1. And was someone fox had been voting. So if scum was keen on using a driver N1, it seemed to me like dousing was someone that would be a really good choice, because a cop would have potentially scanned dousing to resolve day 1 wagons.

maybe this is just that brainbomb doesnt think like Jamie, and Jamie doesnt think as far ahead as brainbomb. but it also felt like Jamie trying to derail the speculation by misrepresenting what the driver role does, something he would fully understand how it works and why. He has been a GM and has used the role before, and should know that it doesnt provide any notice of a swap to anyone.

He would know dousing would not learn anything here. So I question the motive a bit here. All I can conclude is that Jamie thinks is utterly preposterous scum would have any reason to have used a driver N1 on dousing.

a fact he later backs up by saying as a cop he wouldnt even use a scan N1. Which is either true, and he really wouldnt cop scan N1, or is to back up this moment to look like this is really how he thinks.

Maybe you just hit on the reason for a scum team with fox and x to leave worcej to use his powers n1? He could use the investigatory powers on someone he sussed and they could either drive defensively or offensively (to give a fake negative or fake positive)?

[Jamiet99uk]

Let me just boil this down to one paragraph:

MY POINT WAS THAT SPECULATING ABOUT DOUSING BEING DRIVEN WAS UNLIKELY TO REVEAL ANY NEW INFORMATION TO TOWN IN THAT PHASE. I.E. THAT IT WAS SPECULATION THAT COULD PROBABLY NOT BE VERIFIED.

I did not misunderstand the Driver role. I understand it perfectly well.

I did not suggest that Dousing would get a message as a direct result of the Driver action (he could have got a PM if something like the Friendly Neighbour was redirected to him by the Driver, but this was an edge case).

[Jamiet99uk]

Or, the Town Roleblocker could have been redirected to Dousing if he was driven as Brainbomb speculated.

Unlikely, though.

My point was about what town would learn from Brainbomb's theory: Fuck all.

[Jamiet99uk]

Brainbomb I love you dude but this is an enormous waste of time, and you are making us waste our time again, over something that was already a waste of time the first time we argued about it.