Finished: 02 PM Wed 22 Aug 12 UTC
Stalingrado-6
12 hours /phase
Pot: 63 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by The Magician (120 D)
18 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1908: I find that a surprising offer given all Germany's new builds and growth opportunities in the West, but if that's what you go with I'll point out that if Austria attacks me he'll have to weaken his borders to the North.
18 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1908: I merely wanted to point out to you all that Austria will sell you out in a heartbeat. If I offered him a two way, he'd sell you all out.
18 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1908: Oh I'm well aware of that Germany, but there's nothing I can do here
18 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: No, Germany. Not true. I have stood by Italy and offered Turkey a 4-way in good faith. You have been insisting on a 3-way or less. I am tiring of the tone and suggested we include Russia in a 5-way. When you offered a 4-way, the obvious weak link to be eliminated is Russia. And if we fight on, the only way to prevent a German win is to quit bickering.
18 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well played Italy & Russia. And thanks, Turkey. I am voting for the draw.
18 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Germany (and others) - I canceled my "draw"vote to await the final demise of Russia leading to a 4-way draw. I will vote draw again as soon as the season processes. Meanwhile, I request a pause of 18 hours or so ... I am about to board an international flight and will not be in communication until noon or so Sunday (Central European time).
19 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Ok
19 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Thanks, Turkey ... I am back on line now.
19 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1909: K
19 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1909: I seem to have missed the build, though. A shame that other players would not give me a few hours "pause" on request.
19 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1909: So are we all drawing now or what?
19 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Germany - with Italy gone, let's just go for the three-way draw.
19 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Austria, Germany probably thinks that means he can now win a single and he's probably right.
19 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1909: I don't trust you any more than you trust me, but it's in both our interests to secure the draw and I propose that you send Bulgaria North and the Aegean West. I will send my fleets through the Med to help weaken Germany too.
19 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1909: I'd also point out to Germany that if he does go for the single now that Italy has dropped out it would be very poor sportsmanship
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: How would it be poor sportsmanship? I have played the best, I have gotten to 15 with a middle of the board nation, and I should give you my hard earned SC's because YOUR ally left? YOUR ally. YOUR ally. I have fended off three against one, four against one when Russia was alive and Five against one when France was alive but Now I have you i should roll over because you can't win b/c your own ally quit?
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Any chance you had at a three way died with that statement. If I lose, I lose. You can go to hell.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Italy was never my ally, he was Austria's
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: You'll only win because one player left the game. You didn't vote for a pause when Austria went on a flight either. In short, while you definitely played well, you have demonstrated poor sportsmanship.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Bullshit. Italy didn't pause. I didn't know he was checking out. since you all were playing as one, I waited for all of you to pause before I would. How did I know if it was legit? You all could be lying, so I wait for all of you to do it before I do. Juts Like I would for a draw. I wait until everyone else does. This is diplomacy, people lie. I don;t show my hand unless I have to.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Bottom line, you and Austria have whined like babies because you can;t win any other way. You had a five to one advantage and you still are losing and now you are whining. I will not concede. You want to beat me, come and get me, punk.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Of course Italy didn't pause, he hasn't logged in for long enough to go into civil disorder!
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Your ally, your problem. Next time, pick better allies. There will be no more talk. Only war.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I'll do what I can to stop you, but I'm too far away to really be any use. You played well and the win is yours, congratulations. It's just a shame you couldn't do it without being a poor sport.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: You're the poor sport. And a whiner. And finally, a loser.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Sigh, you're acting like a child. I'm going to get back seven of my nine points anyway, I really don't care enough to argue with you about a computer game.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Then shut up and play.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: No, Germany ... YOU are the poor sport. Failing to pause on request is a violation of the basic tenets of fair play in this game. And to then accuse me of lying about the need for a pause is over the top. Of course you can "win" now that Italy has left the game ... you already have 15 centers and you are much closer to lightly-defended Iberia than the rest of us. I am certainly going to follow Turkey's advice and try to stop you, but I do not see how that will work. I cannot imagine that you get much satisfaction from "winning" in this fashion, which is sad ... you certainly did do a good job earlier in fending off England & Russia (though Russia played poorly from the start), but any "credit" for that play has been wiped out by your current attitude. You are the one acting like a child.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: You lost because you suck and you make excuses for the fact that you suck. I played some liar like you asked for a pause, so I paused. Then the liar never did it and took his move. If Italy had paused, that's one thing, but since he was your ally and he didn't paused, I would've left myself exposed. He could never do it and then the turn passes and I'm screwed. You picked your ally, all five of them and you talked and talked. If you spend less time running your mouth and more time thinking, maybe you wouldn't be such a punk.

You never even tried to win, whining like a bitch for a draw from the get go. You suck, turkey sucks and Italy sucks for leaving you in this place but after all these days of beating the SIX of you in a the world's biggest gang up, I shouldn't have to quit. And the thing is that piece you never got wouldn't have made a difference. You still would've taken warsaw and Italy still would have quit and I still will kick your sorry, stupid, lying, ignorant ass.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: There's no point arguing with someone like that Austria, he's only angry because he feels embarrassed. That said, I just can't help myself but to point out to him that he could issue and save orders and then vote to pause, thereby ensuring the situation he just described couldn't happen.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: You guys are sore only because Italy took away your draw that you have been whining about all game long. Put your moves in and get this over with.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Let us set the record straight.

Did Germany ever agree to a DMZ with Austria. The record please…

(To: Global, from Austria) - Autumn, 1902: Germany -- Can we agree to keep Tyrolia, Bohemia, Silesia & Prussia as a DMZ between us? It would certainly make things easier, and may pave the way for more significant cooperation later.

Germany does not respond

(To: Global, from Austria) - Autumn, 1903: Germany -- I'm still counting on peace along our internal border. I certainly hope I see northern-oriented builds. :-)

Germany does not respond

(To: Global, from Austria) - Spring, 1906: Germany - I am concerned at the lack of fleet builds. Together with your support of the Russian Remnant, this calls your intentions into question. Once upon a time we had agreed upon a neutral ground which you have already violated. I hope that your plans do not include a drive south.

The first LIE. Germany NEVER agreed to anything.

4 Aug (To: Global, from Austria) - Spring, 1906: Germany -- I re-read the message log and you are correct. I apologize. I had proposed the neutrality, but you had not responded. I also note that in desperation I had even invited you to station an army in Silesia back when Russia was more of a threat. Of course, I expected that army to support me, and not Russia. :-) So much for expectations.

Then he takes the apology back:

(To: Global, from Austria) - Autumn, 1906: And Italy -- As far as my "betrayals" go … his consistent call to you to attack me. But I *HAVE* honored our agreement completely ... and I think pushing the German out of Tyrolia is *NOT* a violation of our DMZ there ... Germany had already violated it.

The agreement you previously said I didn’t violate?

The Record shows Austria is a two faced liar.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Austria has lied during the game, that's what Diplomacy is all about. At least he was a good sport about it.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: As for the pause, let the record show....

~Sat 12 PM (To: Global, from Austria) - Autumn, 1908: Germany (and others) - I canceled my "draw"vote to await the final demise of Russia leading to a 4-way draw. I will vote draw again as soon as the season processes. Meanwhile, I request a pause of 18 hours or so ... I am about to board an international flight and will not be in communication until noon or so Sunday (Central European time).

Pause requested on Saturday at noon. Fifteen hours later…

~03:29 AM (To: Global, from Austria) - Spring, 1909: Thanks, Turkey ... I am back on line now.

One, Austria ASKED for a pause. None was ever promised. Two, He was only gone for 15hrs. He asked for his pause at the beginning of a phase. he could have put in his troops and saved it and then when he came back he would've been only nine hrs into the Spring.

Also, Turkey initally said Germany was a poor sport not because of the draw but BECAUSE ITALY LEFT AND HE WOULD NOT DRAW.

Only when Germany said Italy was Turkey's ally and that was his fault for choosing him did this bullshit about the pause come up. A pause no one EVER agreed to. Check the record. And if Austria had put in his moves he would have been fine... and Your own ally did not put in for the pause.

Again, all of this is just whining from too incredibly poor players.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Boring.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Stop talking and win the game, you've got nothing to add but excuses for poor sportsmanship.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Stop whining. My moves are in, genius. You have nothing left. No honor, skill, decency, or excuse. You keep talking because it's all you can do.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I could not put my moves in DUMMY ... that is why I asked for the pause. There is no internet connection on transatlantic flights. The deadline came and went between log-ons. That is what thew "pause" function does (since the software does not allow contingent builds or future moves of any kind) and by common consent if anyone asks for a "pause" it is granted. Nobody is whining. We are just pointing out that your "win" will show up in your stats and that is (apparently) all that matters to you.

Hint: Make 6 fake accounts then get into a game with them ... your "real" account can win regularly and the rest of us will be rid of you.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I'll support you into Sev this turn Austria.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Great. That would be helpful, though it looks like Germany can pick up the vacant and poorly defended Iberia for the win. With your spring support into Sev, maybe I can wrench back the two Russian centers and give us another year to move west. Berlin and Munich may even be vulnerable, though with a backlog of builds I doubt it.
20 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Sorry, did you just say you want me to move to Sev? I assumed you'd rather I support your move into Sev.
20 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1910: YOur ally Turkey said I could've put in my moves and then hit the pause button. If I could, the you could, BEFORE you got on your plane. If you ever did. You cannot unilaterally demand a pause. That's why it has to be ASKED for.
20 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1910: The move in question was the retreat that I did not have ... the following move was the build which I missed. FUCK YOU. It was not "demanded" ... it was respectfully asked for and arrogantly denied by someone who would rather accumulate points than play a fair game. And the worst thing is that you probably could have won fair and square without being an ASSHOLE.
20 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1910: Turkey -- yes ... please support me into SEV ... that way it will be easier to simply enter moves that give us some chance of taking MOS and/or WAR. Feel free to take Greece on the way by. It won't matter much anyway.
20 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1910: I will be ordering RUM->SEV
20 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1910: Such language. Cursing doesn't make your point. You use such words because you are smart enough to speak like a person. I played a fair game according to the rules. I have a pause button for a reason. It is MY choice to employ it when and if I see fit. Your ally did not pause so i did not. And that;s the thing. Even if I did pause, Italy did not and you'd be in the same place you are now. You just can stand that i beat you and ignored your whining for a draw so now you make these lies up.
20 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1910: Germany ... you say "It is MY choice to employ <the pause button> when and if I see fit". That is true from a mechanical perspective, but not an ethical one. The standard on this site is to grant any player a pause when it is asked for ... at least until it becomes obvious that the pause is being abused. This is (among other things) a workaround for the fact that it is impossible to enter contingent orders or (as in this case) obvious builds in advance (while the "retreat" phase is still active). Unfortunately, NMR's can screw that up too, but YOUR refusal to pause is an issue of sportsmanship. Nobody is "whining for a draw" ... like anyone else would do, I saw that my chances of winning (or at least winning without violating my personal code of conduct in the game) was low and yours was high (thanks to some admittedly excellent play on your part as well as some very poor play on the part of at least one opponent). I offered a three-way draw (later ammended to include Turkey in a 4-way) and you rejected it. So far so good. I accepted that decision, but when you offered a 4-way later, I accepted that as well. Now you have the win assured, but not due to your play. Rather, it is due to (1) Italy's CD, and (2) my missing build. #2 was beyond your control, though you did actively contribute to the problem. An honorable player would look at the situation and agree to a 3-way draw at this point. But, of course, we have already established that you do not fit in that category. I hope you are proud of your "win".
20 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1910: Thank you Austria, will do
21 Aug 12 UTC Turkey -- I have come up with a rather non-standard approach that might save the game for one more year, but you may as well take NAP now. In all likelihood, Germany will take POR and my gambit will fail to delay the inevitable, and you may as well get the extra SC points.
21 Aug 12 UTC Intriguing. Don't tell me anything. I look forward to seeing whatever it is you've got in mind!

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Germany
The Magician (120 D)
Won. Bet: 9 D, won: 34 D
18 supply-centers, 13 units
Austria
VirtualBob (242 D)
Survived. Bet: 9 D, won: 21 D
11 supply-centers, 7 units
Turkey
BenK (432 D)
Survived. Bet: 9 D, won: 10 D
5 supply-centers, 3 units
Italy
yoricksbones (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 9 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
England
quarryman (4261 D)
Defeated. Bet: 9 D
France
babysmurfs (101 D)
Defeated. Bet: 9 D
Russia
gabbahey45 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 9 D
Civil Disorders
yoricksbones (100 D)Italy (Spring, 1909) with 7 centres.
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