Finished: 09 PM Fri 17 Aug 12 UTC
12 hours /phase
Pot: 116 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by joelshaneus (177 D)
02 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: um.....JUGGERNAUT ALERT IN THE EAST......kind of cheap to do with no austria to stop it............
02 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: kinda
02 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: um... newbie question... how do you support?
02 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: you tell one unit to move into an area and if you tell one of your units that is connected with the area you want to go to to support the move to that area from wherever. for example, if austria wanted to move into galicia she could say vienna to galicia and budapest support the move to galicia from vienna. you will figure it out, its not too hard.
02 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1901: k thanks.
04 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1902: Will you assist me in taking Kiel?
04 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1902: im focusing all 3 of my units there into attacking belgium. in spring i'll try and get belgium and you get kiel. if you attack kiel then i think i am guaranteed belgium. in the fall i will give you kiel or berlin....your choice. i should let you know that you should be talking with austria over how you can protect his centers.
04 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1902: Yiiiikes... awkward public post.
04 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1902: yiikes is right damnit.....oh well. i guess the cats out of the bag now.....sorry ger. i saw italian posts above mine and the fact he asked a question like that in global made me not look lol.
04 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1902: Well, if everyone else is posting globally, i might as well too.

So much hostility!! I understand it coming from France cuz i was kinda rude over Belgium earlier, but I'm not afraid to say globally that THERE IS A JUGGERNAUT that gets stronger with every turn you waste on me. (ahem, Italy, that last bit was for you).
04 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1902: Whoops. Met to post that to France. lol
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: Turkey is the real Juggernaut here. He can take Austria this year and is now going to attack from the sea. Russia has hit a wall and can't attack the sea because of England.
07 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1904: Is that nervousness I am hearing? I apologize. I should have told you that I was going to be your ally and immediately stabbed you in the back so that you wouldn't have been nervous this turn. I apologize for my honesty.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: BTW I am going to have to leave this game tomorrow. Sorry. I'm going out of town and won't have an internet connection.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: alright if italy is leaving then i think this game needs to be cancelled. im soryr but with rus and turkey juggernauting its not fair if a country that has 5 units isnt playing. hes too important in this game.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I agree. It changes the dynamics of the game too much. Let's cancel.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: It has no impact on me anyway, since I've lost; but on principle, if we don't have seven players, we ought to cancel.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'm sorry guys.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: We should have cancelled back when Austria was missing in 1901. I would argue that it's too late to cancel now just because they're juggernauting. I'm willing to play it out and lose with dignity, if that's what's in the cards.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: well england you do have a point but there is a difference between austria at 3 units missing one turn and a country with 5 saying he is definitely leaving. if italy leaves then turkey basically gets all his free centers. Im not saying I want to cancel just because they are juggernauting but italy has an important role to play and the game isnt balanced without him. canceling is appropriate here and really the only option.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I doubt Turkey and Russia will agree...
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: well then it only leaves me and you against russia and turkey. thats bullshit.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Unless I stab you, and then it's Russia and Turkey against me against you. That would be superbullshit.
07 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well, we could have Austria take over me once he's dead.
08 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: guys vote cancel. with italy gone turkey basicaly gets naples tunis vienna and venice for free. this is absolutely not fair. anyone who doesnt vote cancel just because they are doing well doesnt deserve to play doing well and i suggested the idea....
08 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Sorry again. This was my first game so I didn't realize how long it would take...
Anyways, It doesn't affect me because I'm leaving but I agree with you guys. Everyone should vote cancel. With me gone everyone would be screwed.
08 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Ya, Im semi-allied with Russia so I was hoping to at least survive a bit longer, but if Italy leaves then the game goes lopsided. Its just not fun for the rest of us.
08 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I was semi-allied with everyone except for Germany and Turkey. And France. I was full-allied with him. For now...
08 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: Haha ya I think you spoke too soon. France was doing a great job of supporting you in Munich...
And just in case Russia and Turkey don't cancel, when is your last turn going to be?
08 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: I could've supported him in Munich but I told him id rather take it to make sure rus and tur didnt. Germany, now that u r at a regular amount I think I should ask u to help stop this juggernaut. I'm publically stating I will leave u alone and eng should do but I'm not going to let Russia and turkey win this.... They r capitalizing off Austria and Italy missing and leaving respectively.
08 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1904: This is my last turn
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: looks like im going down soon. I guess this is what I get for playing lower point games with two nations who play without class(that would be you russia and turkey, you took an unfair advantage with aus and ita not playing and deep down you know it) and an english player without sense who apparantly is okay with letting other ppl win(your gonna lose sweden and norway, maybe not this year but soon) and a german who basically gave up when i offered to help him. Great game you guys.....really great.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: France, why are you being so rude? It's just a game dude, chill a little!
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm being rude bc two players in this game realized they could easily win bc of who wasnt playing and apparantly they suck enough where this is the only way they can get points.....and apparantly ger and eng are okay with that. spent all those years setting up an unbreakable stalemate position which england has now screwed up. if eng stayed up there and i support held munich. there was no avenue for expansion.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Bro, you should be mad at Italy for starting a game he couldn't finish. Russia and Turkey are playing very well and coordinating nicely. I am turning on you because I am more interested in tanking us both than letting you whine your way into a draw.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: your right england, I should be mad at italy, but I am more mad about ppl who take advantage of a situation where they had an unfair advantage. this is not the first time someone has left a game lol, but usually there is a sense of understanding that the game is unbalanced and ppl draw 99% of the time which rus and tur didnt want to do ONLY bc they were doing well. A good player chooses to draw or cancel regardless of if they have 1 or 10 sorry eng but rus and tur did not coordinate well they met a stalemate position (that no longer exists since you moved back). with the nations that didnt play im sorry but thats a juggernaut it is everyones responsibility to stop the expansion EXCEPT for france, but I took on the responsibility anyway. We spent all this time fighting for stalemate position only to have it be a waste.....and as far as my whining "whining" bc I stand up and speak out when I see someone that has an unfair advantage.....I prefer to play(win or lose) against ppl who play fairly. if this is the way you guys want to play then fine, everyone can attack me like you plan to bc this game was ruined a long time ago.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Look back at the beginning of the game. Italy had the chance to fight Turkey over Austria. One CD in a game happens all the time in lower point games -that's part of playing diplomacy online. If you cancelled every game where an Austria didn't start you'd never get to play. But, after being asked by me to split Austria, Italy refused and went for Germany instead to help you. Here's what I see in this game: a turkey who has always been willing to fight over a cd and who has never stalemated and who obviously has the skill to overcome stalemates regardless (as you're about to see, France), and a France who would still be squabbling over burgundy if not for Italian help. With every reward comes a consequence - you got Italian help to take Germany, but you lost Italian help to stop early Turkish expansion. If you were so frustrated with the "unfair juggernaut," why didn't you beg Italy to try to stop us? I'll say publicly that if Italy had helped me against Turkey, there probably wouldn't even be a juggernaut right now.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Hear hear! Austria was NMR on turn one and we should've cancelled then. Once we decided to keep playing, we decided to keep playing and that's about the end of it.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: i did tell italy to work on protecting austria and to start fighting turkey but he kept focusing on germany and he told me he struck an alliance with you and turkey which I countless times told him not to trust bc of the juggernaut. He started listening to me on the turn that he left(he took trieste from turkey with his last move).
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907:
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Thank you England :) France, I'm tired of trying logic on a brick wall. Congratulations, you win the war for who can whine the loudest, and we all concede you the champion in that regard. I'm gonna play some diplomacy now, and I'd ask that you do the same.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm the brick ok. im playing in ALOT of games right now and I've asked so many ppl if someone leaves the game in the early stages, everyone should draw regardless of what is on the board, that is just proper edicate in this game and the right thing to do. everyone wants to say im whining over and over fine, russia be honest, you didnt want to stop bc you were doing well and thats the only reason. Thats it.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: If that's true, then why didn't we cancel on the first turn, when Austria NMR'd? Your logic doesn't really make sense here.
13 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: I was considering it but Austria told me he accidentally missed one phase and it wouldnt happen again. i'll admit, that was my mistake and my instinct was telling me to ask for a cancellation but i felt ppl would be unhappy about it. after italy left i knew that was the only fair option.
14 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: You're either a really bad liar, really gullible, or (as I believe) not interested in looking at the truth before you open your mouth to make a fool of yourself. Austria missed the first two turns, went into civil disorder, and then a new person took over Austria. You had all of 1901 to complain, but you never said a word. The fact that you only bring it up now shows that you know how pathetic your argument is and you're scrambling for anything to justify your whining. Next time, try using the truth.
14 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Oh, and are you planning on just quitting this game too? You're about to miss your second turn in a row. Wow, I can really tell that you believe in the etiquette you speak so highly of.
15 Aug 12 UTC Spring, 1908: No one's paying any attention to little old me and I'm fairly sure I'm going to be squashed fairly soon, since three powers currently have the power to do it. Its time to let everyone kow what's going on, in case you didn't already. France just thinks this game is stupid, and all three other powers think he's a whiner. England, best I can tell, just wants to do as well as he can and take SCs wherever he can get them. Russia is ready to end the game because he/she is about to leave for college, and is very ready to do whatever Turkey and England want, as long as France suffers. Wow. Turkey is planning on winning, and I would be careful if I was Russia, cuz he's gonna steal Sevastapol and who knows what else. On a tactical note, I'm helping England take Holland, I appreciate Russia's support, and I think Russia is planning on convoying to Belgium somehow. There. Now you all have an excuse to kill me for spilling your secrets.
15 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Nah. You will live.
15 Aug 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Good to know :
17 Aug 12 UTC It was a pleasure playing with each of you.

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joelshaneus (177 D)
Won. Bet: 15 D, won: 62 D
18 supply-centers, 14 units
Rockstar37 (120 D)
Survived. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
ol_hickory (515 D)
Survived. Bet: 15 D, won: 21 D
6 supply-centers, 7 units
zqazi2 (635 D)
Resigned. Bet: 15 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
BombSite_A (123 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
alwaysloyal (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
mcpaul (95 D)
Defeated. Bet: 11 D
Civil Disorders
zqazi2 (635 D)France (Spring, 1908) with 8 centres.
kevinbrown37 (100 D)Austria (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
BombSite_A (123 D)Italy (Spring, 1905) with 4 centres.
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