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Finished: 07 PM Tue 26 Jun 12 UTC
The Da Vinci Diplomacy : The Grand Reward
1 day /phase
Pot: 266 D - Spring, 1914, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
24 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1903: You should have talked to me before taking Denmark...? Oh, I think I striked Holland?Shit...
29 May 12 UTC Spring, 1905: Wait, why is everyone voting for a cancel?
29 May 12 UTC Spring, 1905: yes, indeed, why are they?
30 May 12 UTC Spring, 1905: I personally don't see any reason for a cancel at this point. Now if you had asked me just after my NMRs sure, but at this point no one is consistently missing, and the game is fairly stable.
30 May 12 UTC Spring, 1905: i only voted for it because im losing, im fine with continuing the game
07 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1907: I dont mind drawing guys, but I see no reason to cancel, really.
07 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1907: I'd be willing to put up a draw vote at this point.
07 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1907: I really don't see why I would want to draw given my position, and the current balance of power.
07 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1907: okay italy. whats the next supply center youre going to get?
07 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1907: Something in France I think.
07 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: really? the only one left is brest, and england has three fleets on it, and you have three on it. i dont see you getting anywhere on it. what is your real next center? you know what would be an easy center to take? munich. or maybe even trieste. you could probably just walk right in and take it, he wont even cover it
07 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: I think it might have something to do with England about to lose multiple SCs.
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: which ones can he lose? england is positioned well enough to hold off any attack indefinitly with NAO and IRS hold, ENC and Pic support brest to hold, and belgium move burgundy until his other army gets to the ruhr where it would be supported by belgium to hold. except for the ruhr for maybe two turns, you cant break through for any centers. my point is that you arent going to get anywhere without an english NMR
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Oh he can get somewhere, but here is one fact. Russia is going to have to give up some goodies in the north now.

And STP can be held forever by 2.

I will give up SOME ground sure, Although, it will be some time before you push me from MAO now., like many many many years.

So, sure, eventually I can be pushed off the continent (up til denmark) he must decide how he is going to break thru denmark and my fleets. If he can explain to me that, then sure. I have as many fleets targeting MAO as he does

I will take my beatings elsewhere, but I will force the stalemate somewhere.

STP
Denmark
MAO

Mr Russia however, is going to do 1 of 2 things now. Retreat his armies to fight me in the north, which I am going to commit heavily to now, since he decided that our agreement was void, He will make a choice VERY soon on what do to there.

I put the draw up because, I have played enough games to know, there is a stalemate line that has been reach.

Sure it will move some still, but in the end it will still be a stalemate, and draw points dont change by # of SCs you have. Draws are divided equally by # of players.
08 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: What agreement are you referring to, England? You attacked me even though you said you wouldn't, which left me a unit down for a year. You then gave me StP back and asked me not to hit you, to which I never responded, so don't pretend that I lied or betrayed you.
09 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm not voting for a draw while England can still be pushed back, and while Turkey is still here.
09 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: You are such a liar. I will copy and paste. I told you I am babysitting this account (which is okay per the rules) for someone, and the owner logged on, and changed some orders which hit you

I explained it carefully, and told you I would vacate STp and hoped everythign would be good , and you said "yes, thank you"
09 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Spring, 1906: al is better now, right? (england)
~Sun 3 Jun Spring, 1906: Yes, thank you.
(russia)
Look back on the orders, and you will see these messages coincided with England leaving STp (not being forced out)

So russia, please, save me the lying. I VERY carefully explained it to you, and you understood what happened.

There is even a link from the owner of this account, in the forums, asking for a sitter.

So, say what you want, your words say much different things.
09 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: Yes, you explained the situation to me and left, but we never agreed to an alliance, NAP, or anything after that. By saying "Yes thank you" I was saying that things were as they were before you invaded StP and nothing more. I broke no agreements and committed no betrayals.
09 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1907: why am i being excluded from the draw? the nearest fleet to east med is three moves away, and that one looks a bit occupied, so unless one is built by austria in a year if he gets another center, i can go on indefinitly. hell, i could survive a fleet in east med too, just by using all three to hold constantinople. so unless italy retreats, i have 2 and a half years before its possible for me to face any sort of threat. until then, ill be waiting patiently for those 1911 builds that i may possibly have to disband during. isnt turkey great?
12 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Draw Guys, Its been a good game.. Worth a draw.
12 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Just waiting on Italy...
13 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Not drawing here as contrary to what England erroneously has stated there is a concrete means to advance my position against his fleets, and I'm not going to draw just because he wants to get out of this with a draw.
13 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: why dont we all attack italy then? you guys could all have a three way draw without me or italy
13 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Why would I draw when I still have tactical options? We aren't locked into a stalemate, and I'm not going to accept a partial stalemate.
13 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Russia and austria do you agree on what Turkey said?

Italy I am not trying to draw because I am losing but I am because this game was being played by a sitter for a really major times and I don't really hold the power of diplomacy here...

I hope I am clear to you.

Well You want to continue. Then I will.
NO problem with that.

I will continue till end.
13 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1909: I can't exactly attack Italy at the moment. That's something for you and Austria to work out.
15 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: DRAW?!lol
15 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I told you that you I could break that line.
15 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: What line did you break? Where do you intend to go from here?
16 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1910: I can work to break MAO, or I could go up to Hel to break England at Den. What England didn't know is if a southern power has a fleet in Por and the northern power doesn't have a defending line at Bre you can flank the line via NC of Spa.
17 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1910: I submitted orders in a hurry hence I didnt see the move to gascony else I would have brken it..Any ways.You cannot do anything..I will hold the game forever...

We should Draw once Turkey goes off..I mean when he is defeated..
17 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1910: I submitted orders in a hurry hence I didnt see the move to gascony else I would have brken it..Any ways.You cannot do anything..I will hold the game forever...

We should Draw once Turkey goes off..I mean when he is defeated..
17 Jun 12 UTC Spring, 1910: You really don't get it do you? Once I get my fleet into Spa I have 5 fleets on MAO, and you couldn't have broken the move to Gas given I had multiple armies I could support with. Furthermore even if you could hold MAO, I could simply move my fleet along land up to Hel to support Austria into Den. As I said before, you didn't have a stalemate line, and you certainly don't have one now.
18 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Russia..We should Ally ?!
18 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: I don't see how that would help either of you given the circumstances.
18 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: sorry guys, did i mess up and live? aw shucks, now youll have to either include me in the draw or hope i die within a year, otherwise this games gonna last a while
18 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Wait, you honestly think that England and Russia can live?
19 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Yeah Turkey, war... war has changed. If you wanted a draw you shouldn't have gone and bellied up for Austria.
19 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: I missed a phase..SOB@
22 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1912: Any chance I could still get a draw? :P
22 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1912: No chance.
22 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1912: You and England are going out, and then unless Austria stabs me it will be a two-way draw.
22 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1912: I don't have nearly enough naval power to really do anything to Italy, and he doesn't have enough land power to do anything to me. Neither of us can stab the other, really, at this point, so why try?
23 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1912: Well it was fun playing with you all. Enjoy your grand reward.
23 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1912: Italy Will you help in drawing? Austria will win else?
24 Jun 12 UTC Autumn, 1913: Shall we draw? Austria you can't win without Stabbing Italy and Italy You can't win either! Because you are not getting all me seven centers..So Draw is a better option...:)
25 Jun 12 UTC Austria HIt Draw..You can't win with no fleets..in battle..:)

YOU will be needing a whole new arrangement!
Hence Lets Draw.
25 Jun 12 UTC Good..Thats good for me atleast.
25 Jun 12 UTC Enjoyed playing with you all. Especially well-played on Italy's part, since he did a good job of helping stall the solo and beating back England, and I really enjoyed working and playing with you.

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Austria
Magus (117 D)
Drawn. Bet: 38 D, won: 89 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Italy
kreilly89 (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 38 D, won: 89 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
England
Chanakya. (703 D)
Drawn. Bet: 38 D, won: 89 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
France
JUlrich (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 38 D
Germany
14egustafson (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 38 D
Turkey
fishman427 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 38 D
Russia
the_composer (190 D)
Defeated. Bet: 38 D
Civil Disorders
JUlrich (0 D X)France (Spring, 1906) with 1 centres.
fishman427 (100 D)Turkey (Spring, 1911) with 1 centres.
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