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Finished: 11 PM Mon 14 May 12 UTC
Private F2FwD-2
2 days /phase
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1912, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
12 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Sorry, was tied up with work and the deadline snuck up on me. I'm back.
12 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1903: I think we got the message now.
12 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1903: Refresh by pressing Board, or the Global tab, please.
24 Mar 12 UTC Spring, 1905: Morituri te salutant.
30 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: Any possibility of speeding up these "easy" phases and Saving and Clicking "Ready"? It shouldn't take two days to do retreats and another two for builds.
30 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: Agreed (though I was sorta slow on that turn). If Austria can learn to stop double posting it seems the rest of us could learn to use the "Ready" button. :)
30 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: I'll try to remember that too.
30 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: Lol, I think I've figured it out. I keep hitting refresh for new messages, but if I've posted in the window in the last refresh, it reposts your last message. Apologies. :)
31 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: Sorry, I can't ready this phase because I'm incredibly busy this weekend. I'll start readying my retreats ad builds more readily next year.
31 Mar 12 UTC Autumn, 1905: No problem.
05 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Public Advertisement:

Army for hire. Orders decided by highest bidder. Will accept points or money via paypal. Contact either on global panel or via private chatbox.
07 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1906: Alright, actually goodbye this time.
16 Apr 12 UTC Spring, 1908: Game got unboring in a hurry! When it rains it pours.
16 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1908: Indeed. Wow.
21 Apr 12 UTC Spring, 1909: Germany vetoes the draw vote!!! Let's get him!!!
23 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: Haha why are we drawing? Like, I'm all for it... But that doesn't make much sense?
23 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: All of the games where I'm eliminated early have a push for a 6-way afterwards, it's infuriating.
23 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I don't think there are any pushes in any direction other than chaos in this game. :)
24 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1909: I was going to go with "dumpster fire" but chaos is a good description.
27 Apr 12 UTC Spring, 1910: How did Germany gain a dominant position again? That is quite annoying...
27 Apr 12 UTC Spring, 1910: He's cagey.
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Wow, and Turkey is apparently a bigger idiot in this game than Germany. I'm literally trying to hand him a solo and, not only does sacrifice a forward fleet in Ionian to dot grab Greece, but on top of that, he supports a German army towards his freaking line while also allowing his army in Silesia to not blow up.

I'm honestly speechless at this stage of the game.

All Austrian orders will be unilaterally chosen at this point and posted publicly in the Global section for all to see.
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Autumn 1910 -

A Gal S Pru-War
A Ven S Tys-Rom
A Tyl-Tri
A Boh-Vie
F Alb-Ion
F Adr S Alb-Ion
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Galicia subject to change.
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: The problem is, your plan wouldn't have worked. I can take Ionian, but there's no way to keep St Pete long enough to push France out of Italy. And you're not going to crack Munich, unless France just decides to let you. Which I don't believe he will.
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Keep St. Pete from whom? Germany has two fleets. The only way for Germany to get StP is for him to allow France to help him. Which dot does Germany get to get a 3rd fleet build? Which army does Germany get to Livonia to help break StP?

If Germany lets France into Nth and then Nwg and then Bar to take StP, how long does that take? And where did France's two fleets in MAO and BRE just go? South. And how tempting is it for France to stab Germany in the case where Germany has to solicit his support to even threaten StP? If you have armies in Finland, StP and Mos, how does StP ever fall without more builds for F/G in the middle or south? And does F sacrifice dots to give Germany enough units to ultimately get STP? Perhaps, but even if you don't solo, you get 16-17. I'm really having a hard time understanding how a four build Turkey after this year with three units in Ank/Con/Smy and one useless fleet in Black gets you anywhere but an F/G up your ass with a stalemate line you can't possibly hold without a stab between F and G?

If the goal is to take my dots, why are you playing the game? The goal in Diplomacy is to solo. Barring a solo opportunity, the goal is to top the board with as many supply centers as possible.

On Munich, ultimately who cares if I ever get it? Assess the following:

1. I have 4-5 armies there in the center of the board, basically occupying and holding all German armies hostage.
2. Germany can't move out of his home centers without likely losing one or more.
3. If Germany can't move out of his home centers, Germany can't build and your biggest threat to losing STP is neutralized.

Instead, here is what you've done:

1. Support Ber-Pru, moving an army of the only country who can stop you from soloing forward into your lines, giving him two units on your own supply center.
2. Instead of War S Gal-Sil, resulting in a destroyed army Sil, friendly Austrian armies in Pru, Sil, Boh, and Mun, you've allowed Silesia to live, pissed off an Austrian ally who was so annoyed with German incompetence that he was willing to suicide into Germany to provide you with a great solo opportunity, and likely caused any line you may have had against Germany to disintegrate.
3. Sacrificed a position of F Ion, A Gre, F Aeg, F Con with a follow up convoyed army to Apulia (guaranteed move, mind you) with Austrian support, to be followed by gaining Rome or Naples while also getting two builds handed to you by a still happy Austria.
4. Said happy Austria pulling two more back lines units and maintaining forward facing armies while you have the opportunity to fill in the space behind.
5. Ultimately cost yourself any chance at all of Ionian because of fleet position and incoming French fleets, while also somehow managing to screw yourself and your position in the North and ultimately lose StP anyway, thanks to a German build from Warsaw or Vienna or Trieste or a myriad of other locations.

Near as I can tell, France is the only one who hasn't wholly assbagged his position this game.
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Austria, I'd love to hear more about the "German incompetence", though perhaps that's part of the reason I can't figure out what you have against me? As far as I remember, my life was balancing on a knife's edge nearly this entire game, up to and including when you lied to me and shifted all your units at me (the first time) in autumn 1907. I'm honestly quite pleased to be alive, but I'd like to think I'm at least partially responsible for that fact, rather than having "wholly assbagged" my way here, though, admittedly, I don't understand that either.

Regardless, I've loved your other stories and can't wait to here more on any subject, and I also can't for your identity to be revealed, especially now that you've been so kind as to spice up the global chat. Thanks!
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: I love a good spiced up global chat. :)
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Alright, I'll assume my alleged incompetence is all spice and no substance, though feel to throw some more spice on that story line, I'm sure it will make for a good read, regardless of what you say.
29 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: -blink- =)
30 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: I really just wanted someone to explain the War S Ber-Sil move at this stage. As I was telling Germany, that one absolutely befuddles me if I'm Turkey. Now you lose either StP or Warsaw. You can't cover StP and support Warsaw to hold. Maybe you thought Germany would be friendly to you because you'd supported him forward? France can't even help you in this case either by putting any pressure on the other side of the board.

Nwy-Stp
Sil-War
Pru S Sil-War

Additionally,

Mun-Sil
Kie-Mun
Ruh S Kie-Mun

B A Ber

Then again, maybe you and Germany have become such good friends now, that you don't need to worry about it. :) I really couldn't tell you on this board.
30 Apr 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: sorry, War S Ber-Pru I mean.
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: I'm ready to be done!
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Shouldn't be too long now. You and Germany should be able to grind out Turkey pretty quickly if you stick together. Or you guys could just call a draw around 12/12/10ish if you really want. Italy and I will be dead after this game year and it's up to you guys at that point. :)
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: I'm hoping Italy pulls Rome now and supports TyrSea to Ionian. But that's up to him now. :)
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: Hmm, didn't think of that. France will get there eventually though...
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: If he doesn't get there now, it will be harder/impossible because Turkey will have Gre/Aeg/EMed. Now he just has two on it.

vs.

TyS can go there along with WES-TUN and NAP S TYS-ION. Then France can hold it indefinitely. Otherwise, Turkey gets it and the only way to get it back includes trying to shuffle the additional fleet over to Apulia before Turkey can shuffle the fleet over to Albania. That's at least 4 seasons vs. immediate ION control.
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: just sayin.... :)
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: I agree. France should take Ionian now. Or don't. It doesn't really matter which of us has it. Ionian where this game gets stalemated if me and France fight.
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: reply fail....Ionian is NOT where this game gets stalemated.

If me and France fight, I can't take Ionian eventually. It just doesn't matter. Ionian gives me one unit on Tunis, one on Tys, one on Naples....France will be in all those spaces. Ionian just doesn't matter that much.
01 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1910: I am thinking that maybe Austria should try to hold on to it, as a buffer between us. Maybe even a joint peacekeeping mission of Austria and Italy. What do you think guys?
02 May 12 UTC Spring, 1911: No thanks. I'm exiting stage left as quickly as I possibly can. :)
03 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1911: That was interesting....
03 May 12 UTC Autumn, 1911: Um, yeah. Not exactly the set of orders I would have done with FG. Should be interesting coming up.
10 May 12 UTC Any time you guys want to end this thing, set draw. If we play out the year I'm going to take Warsaw and make some kind of screwball moves in the south, but none of that is going to fundamentally change where the game ends up. We're just tweaking the dot count at this point.
11 May 12 UTC Hey all. How about clicking "ready" and advancing this thing?
11 May 12 UTC Fine by me.
12 May 12 UTC Please post EoG's here:

http://webdiplomacy.net/forum.php?newsendtothread=873432

Please also comment on the anonymity as well as F2F versus webDip aspects. Thanks everyone for joining and playing, hope to see you all in another game sometime soon!
12 May 12 UTC Oh interesting. I didn't realize it would actually draw like that. I thought I had to hit it again after the moves....probably would have turned it off if I knew that. Oh well. GG.
12 May 12 UTC Oh interesting. I didn't realize it would actually draw like that. I thought I had to hit it again after the moves....probably would have turned it off if I knew that. Oh well. GG.

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Turkey
Dys Claimer (116 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
14 supply-centers, 12 units
France
cspieker (18223 D)
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Germany
MadMarx (36299 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 25 D, won: 58 D
10 supply-centers, 11 units
England
Hellenic Riot (1626 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Italy
Ralyndi (1106 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Austria
pyeargin (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
Russia
ghug (5068 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
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