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Finished: 08 PM Fri 02 Dec 11 UTC
Hold of the Hordes
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 49 D - Spring, 1912, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
01 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hey Frenchman I'll support you to Ven and should be looking at helping you into Try or Tunis move after...
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: back out of warsaw an dyou can have sweden germany, italy move into galicia w/ budapest rumania is secure with the double support
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Budapest needs to cover Trieste. I'm a bit tied up to help you at the moment.
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: just make sure you tear that german up
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Can't. You know, I'd love to go for Munich, but that would mean I have to surrender Venice. I'd love to help you. But you're just going to have to hold on tight. I am honest to god trying my best here.
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Turkey and France, what say we keep out course and occupy the hell out of the mates here eh?
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Sorry don't follow you Germany... what course
have we spoken at all?
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Playing shit disturber to Russia and Italy, more so implied... Either way, you dig?
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Personally, I haven't a guess at why France gave up London and Liverpool, for no apparent reason. Personally, I would like an ally in Europe, shame there aren't any. Being Italy in a public press game sucks.
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Now I have to fight England all by my lonesome :'(
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: @ Turkey - still support me in Venice?
@ Germany - Not all alone, I can still assist, I just had to counteract Italy's growing force in the Med.
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: @ Germany - Although it looks like you can handle England your self :-) plus you get to reap all the spoils!
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: The east is in turmoil hah
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Poor Italy. Can never win games... But Germany, can you cut Russia some slack? Russia is already weak as it is.
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: At least I acted fast enough so it wasn't a disaster, only an impending disaster.
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: I could but it would be nice to have some help since this is somewhat a 2 front war.
@ Italy: His problem, not yours, I could cut him some slack but this is twice now he had moved threateningly to me. I won't let it stand.
02 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: It's my problem because I have no allies in Europe. Unless of course, you're willing to help me. But of course, guessing from your pro-French moves, you aren't. After I'm gone, F/G mops the board clean. Germany picks up what's left of Russia and England, and France gets 5-6 of my centers. Then the two proceed to destroy Turkey and finishes in a 2 way draw.

Anyhow, I don't know what I did to the Turk, I don't know what I did to France, but they're both forcing me to defend a position that is near collapse. Tunis is dead and the Ionian's a lost cause. One by one the Balkan's will fall and then it'll be curtains...
03 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Mmmmm the German home centers look yummy.
08 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1906: @ France move Wes - Try Sea just for fun or Gol just tell me if interested cant promise it works also some other option can't think at moment
08 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1906: @ Turkey - OK
08 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1906: England, you're starting to become a force in the North, if you move into the channel I can support you to Brest.
08 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1906: Sounds good Italy, see you in France. Maybe I can help you sometime in the future.
08 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1906: snag those german sc's while hes gone!!! haha its the only way!
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: @ Farnce Tun or Nap
If you can sup me into Nap would be grand. Happy to talk either way...
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: ^ @ France...
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Italy, thanks for the supportoffer but it can easy be cut by france and my move be stopped. Some other time.
09 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: Ill supoprt into Nap
10 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1906: France, I would like to remind you that after I am gone, it will be Turkey who gets most of the spoils. It will also be Turkey who crushes a critically weak Russia. And then you will be the one fighting on two fronts, on the North with England and in the South against the Turk.

I'll give you what you want, which is probably Tunis, if you turn your attention to where you should be worried about, the North. If you continue to fight me, then I guess that is fine, but I am prepared to give substantial resistance.
13 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1907: @ france if tyr - Tun Ion will sup
13 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1907: Also @France happy to fight inland once Italy is settled. don't worry about that score
14 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1907: Liar =.= France will be destroyed by England before I'm settled.
14 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1907: Maybe so but ever the optimist
You whinge so loud for one doing most ripping apart
Ottoman heritage just reclaiming lost lands so far
Never did like Rome of Old to much of a tryant
14 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1907: Frenchman lost in hinterlands of Tyrolia is it your Austrian or Italian Holiday house you look for? I shall shine a light from my boat to guide you
14 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1907: or should I go to 1 you the other?
Tun, Nap or both?
14 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1907: France, you have stopped me from achieving anything in the Mediterranean. But compare your position in Autumn 1903 and now. What has been achieved? You've stopped me from having any hopes of dominating the Mediterranean, but you've given rise to an even stronger Mediterranean power that grows unopposed! Furthermore, at what cost! Spain, Marseilles, Portugal, Brest, and Belgium. And now, in Spring 1907, you have yet to step foot on even 1 of my centers! (Although I recognize that only 1 or maybe 2 of Vienna, Trieste, or Tunis will be yours)

At least my consolation, I've played a relatively good defense. It hasn't even collapsed until now.
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: you forget Ven, Vie, Tri, Nap or Tun by my count are up for grabs.

But mostly attack has been your game.
The reaction to your moves has let me grow and fueled the fire against you.
14 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1907: I didn't want the Russian gift of Serbia, but by then France had already started. But that's not even the point anymore. But this dogmatic willingness to continue attacking (note the word continue). Even though it is effectively handing you the game and surrendering 2 centers to England for no apparent reason...

I'm all for catch the leader in diplomacy, but this is getting to be a double standard, especially with Russia up for grabs in the North.
16 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1908: Not up for grabs at all I'm still in this, england lets dmz the Norwegian, I won't build nc fleets if u agree
16 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1908: Well, before Germany NMRed, yes you were.
16 Nov 11 UTC Spring, 1908: England, do you mind going Brest-Gas?
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: Russia, I'll support you to Budapest and Sevastopol
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: gal move bud and ukr move sev?
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: I had Mos-Sev, but yes okay.
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: France, you really ought to ask yourself, what has happened to your position... It's still not too late... Give back Tunis and we can talk about how to reroute the Turks.
18 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: as you can see, Im willing to give it back.
19 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: Alright then. I'll give back Spain. Please trust me. I'll support you into Tyrr.
28 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: Mr King 'O' England (& 1/2 of Europe)
Well played.
I find games suddenly end with out having opportunity to thank them in it
funny to look back on messaging find the loudest have gone, rather left...

Good luck
28 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1910: Oh mighty Ottoman of the golden Turkey empire
Well played to you too. My only achievement was to stay alive the first five years, then I got my half of Europe for free.
Thanks for a good game and good luck in the hunt for your last SC. (If none of us get 18 SC in a couple of turns I think no one ever will :)
30 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: one to you
30 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1911: Now I only can defend my self, I can´t take more SC so I will vote for draw, but what happen with Italy? Do you want to wipe him out before?

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England
MrFrederson (253 D)
Drawn. Bet: 7 D, won: 25 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
Turkey
Craig (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 7 D, won: 25 D
16 supply-centers, 16 units
Italy
GallantZ (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 7 D
1 supply-centers, 1 units
France
ngh101 (104 D)
Defeated. Bet: 7 D
Germany
TyPrado (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 7 D
Austria
LGoddard (210 D)
Defeated. Bet: 7 D
Russia
Dramage (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 7 D
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