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Finished: 10 PM Wed 09 Nov 11 UTC
Private LessWrong September Diplomacy
2 days /phase
Pot: 350 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
03 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1901: Hey all, welcome to the game, and best of luck!
03 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1901: The Prime Minister apologizes for his slow response to individual messages. It is not a sign of hostility to anyone -- he has been offered a flight on one of these newfangled aeroplans today, and will answer correspondence on arrival at his destination.
05 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: France and Italy announce to the world that Piedmont is agreed to become a demilitarised zone until the end of year 1904.
05 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: This is indeed the case.
08 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Can people select ready?
08 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Selected.
08 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1901: Good point, thanks for the reminder.
11 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1902: Another reminder to finalize -- everyone has saved orders.
11 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1902: I will probably never finalize my orders unless there is very strong objection to this. I really don't have time to play phases that are less than 48 hours, and finalizing is just going to compress the game into a smaller time frame, which I don't really have time for. I really don't feel like this should be a problem, given that there was another game with 24 hour phases that needed people from this game to switch to it.

If it's a single retreat order, I'll try not to hold the game up, but honestly, I may just not notice I haven't finalized.
11 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1902: Also, saved orders generally don't mean that you're ready to move on - many people will put in provisional orders just to have orders in, and then change them when the diplomacy comes in.
12 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1902: Sounds good to me, thanks for letting us know!
12 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1902: A public declaration of the président de la République française: If either England or Germany or both attack France in coordination with Italy, the French government would consider the war lost and would do whatever they can to hold the line in the north, letting Italy occupy all French territory. Let the game theorists in London and Berlin plug this information into their expected utility calculations. (France would prefer to keep Italy ignorant about this decision, but as you all can see, we have a strange passion for public declarations.)
12 Sep 11 UTC Spring, 1902: Also, we hope that Italy will wage war honorably and will not enter Piedmont before the treaty prohibiting that expires.
13 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: Ooh, this looks like fun, but I don't have anyone to play the role of Italy. Therefore, Parliament offers the following pronouncement: In the event of a joint FG attack on England, we shall put maximum resistance against whichever country lands a unit on our fair shores first. In the event of simultaneity, we shall direct all resistance against whomever attempts to occupy London first.
13 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1902: *looks around warily at his five neighbors*

Uhh... in the... um... event of a quintuple attack... we'll... um... (Psst... Fredrick. What was the plan? What?! That's our plan? Why the devil would we do that?) Well. I've been informed that our plan is apparently to set sail to Iceland, because if all five of you attack us, we're pretty damn hosed anyway.
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: Perhaps we should pause?
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: Why?
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: Assuming Italy is the reason to pause, we can't pause anyway without him...
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: Ah. Never mind then.
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: Italy wrote me that he is giving up because he missed a turn. He didn't write anything about pause.
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: Not very sportsmanlike...
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: If true.
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: You can never trust what people write in Diplomacy messages.
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: Oh, I didn't see that he had submitted orders as well.
22 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1903: He's submitted orders...
27 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: France! You jerk! I can't believe you broke our treaty.
28 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Eh? You gave up, haven't you? At least you told me so. I thought there is no more Italy in this game.
28 Sep 11 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hey guys, I don't think we'll need to pause, but I'll be out of town from Thursday afternoon until Saturday morning (ET). The phase lengths should be such that I have time to issue orders, but I won't be able to communicate much, if at all.
29 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1908: Italy has resurrected again?
29 Oct 11 UTC Spring, 1908: This is really strange. Italy, say something!
04 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: Another public declaration: unless Turkey agrees to draw, I will not oppose England's solo victory.
05 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well look, an ultimatum. I guess I'll negotiate with terrorists? Draw voted.
06 Nov 11 UTC Autumn, 1908: Turkish draw vote registered. Now it's England's turn.
07 Nov 11 UTC To paraphrase The Dixie Chicks, I'm not quite ready to play nice.
07 Nov 11 UTC On further reflection, I believe that I had succumbed to wishful thinking. Turkey's development potential is greater than mine, and he has cunningly managed to get you to drop your western defenses. So I am taking up his (insincerely given) draw offer.

Good game, all.
07 Nov 11 UTC Oh, and I am Prismattic.
07 Nov 11 UTC Good game. For what it's worth, England, I think you could easily have leveraged your position into a solo. :)
07 Nov 11 UTC (I'm Guy Srinivasan, and I assume Russia was RobertLumley?)
07 Nov 11 UTC Oh he's not in our game! And now we're not anonymous at the bottom. That's funny.
07 Nov 11 UTC Or he is and was Germany and has a :) name.
07 Nov 11 UTC Uff. One year more and there would be no France. I think I will return to my old no-stabbing strategy. It isn't pleasant to fight on two fronts and gradually lose provinces.

Good game.
07 Nov 11 UTC By the way, I don't think England could win a solo. After Turkey agreed to draw, whether sincerely or not, I precommitted to defend in the west. Pic-Bre, GoL S Mar-Spa, Tun-NAf, Mun-Bur would leave England only one easy centre to grab: Portugal. Turkey would occupy Munich, Marseille and Tunis.
08 Nov 11 UTC I'm RobertLumley. My only real comment (and it's been forever since I was eliminated, so I don't exactly remember) was my frustration that people didn't know a lot of things that are practically habit for me at this point, and that arguing for them revealed who I was, which England at one point explicitly stated made me a target for him. It also hurt me when he refused to believe me that I had mistaken my orders. Which was actually completely true, I thought I had changed my supported move to Swe in 1902. "And please stop insulting my intelligence by suggesting that a player with 2000+(D) submitted mistaken orders."

Between England being biased against me, (frankly) abysmal Austrian play, and Italy CDing, on the whole I found this game to be very frustrating.
08 Nov 11 UTC Also, I would not have drawn if I were Turkey. You had a shot at the solo, and while it's not likely, you might have been able to safely get your way to a two way draw. But congratulations to France on what was some effective diplomacy.
08 Nov 11 UTC Also, as a side note, A02 was the first time I can recall in at least a year and a half actually entering mistaken orders.
08 Nov 11 UTC I know it does't make any difference, but I'm incredibly sorry for my actions in this game. After missing a few turns and noticing how busy my senior year would be, I lost interest. I realize that quitting was immature. Again, sorry.
09 Nov 11 UTC Definitely congratulations to France, who is the only winner in my opinion. I was very, very surprised to see England draw, and would not have voted draw if I thought there was more than a ~10% England would draw. I still don't understand the rationale, but there it is. :)

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England
Cynical Naif (142 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 117 D
14 supply-centers, 12 units
Turkey
GuySrinivasan (167 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 117 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
France
prase (212 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 117 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
ahartell (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Germany
(1304 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Austria
Randaly (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
Russia
Kutta (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 50 D
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