Finished: 04 PM Wed 12 Jan 11 UTC
World at War-16
1 day /phase
Pot: 375 D - Spring, 2013, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
17 Nov 10 UTC Spring, 2000: [Argentina]:Hi all, have fun & good luck.
17 Nov 10 UTC Spring, 2000: [Ghana]:Good luck, everyone, and good game
18 Nov 10 UTC Spring, 2000: [Near-East]:Likewise!!! Enjoy
24 Dec 10 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Argentina]:OMG. I forgot to finish my orders off!!!!
27 Dec 10 UTC Spring, 2008: [Argentina]:I do not believe it, I did it again!!!!
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 2010: [Argentina]:Who ever the anonymous player of Western-Canada is, he should be banned for life from all games on this site!!!
His leaving has totally unbalanced the game which was developing into a real dog fight & was giving a great deal of pleasure to all.
How do the rest of you feel?
I am going to propose we vote DRAW or Cancel.
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 2010: [Argentina]:I take it Russia & Near-East have chosen to take the unfair benifit given to them via Western-Canada.
You are supposed to earn victory not be given it by outside parties improper actions.
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 2010: [Near-East]:Do you really think that USA and Brazil deserve a draw?
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 2010: [Near-East]:It is not my fault Western Canada went away and in any case it only accelerates the unavoidable. Russia's position was far better than Canada's and it was only a matter of time before the Canadian empire fell. The balance of power has not yet shifted as the real battle is being fought in the south very far away from Canada.
03 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 2010: [Argentina]:Before, I could match your growth rate. Now I can't.
Russia will grow rapidly & you & I are gridlocked.
The difference is that Russia is an extension of you.
Would you think the same if it was me allied to Russia?
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Russia]:as there are such a lot of discussions i will also join it:
i agree with you argentina that there is now a perfect situation for me in canada
i agree with you near-east that we should eliminate brazil at least
a possible solution will be that we eliminate canada togehter to get him out of the distribution of points
but from my side - it is only a game - and before having a dispute we can also have a draw right now
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [India]:bahhhhhhhh i want to see some blood!! come on guys! take it till the end...
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Argentina]:The points mean nothing to me. It is the quality of the game & the players that is important & how we manipulate & co-operate with each other.
Thats how you get a result. This game no longer provides me with that opportunity so there is no pleasure or satisfaction to be derived from it due to Western-Canada leaving.
It is unbalanced & no ammount of negotiation on my part can enable me to correct that.
I will happily cede a win to you both, but I see no point or pleasure left in this game for me other than making a long drawn out strategic defence, with a fruitless outcome.
Like Italy I enjoy a good fight but the only blood being spilt will be mine.
Before Western Canada left, I still had a losing hand but working with W/C & Kenya would have given me a challenge with an outside possibility of a result.
Now there is none.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Near-East]:Take Brazil out of the distribution. He certainly doesn't deserve anything. USA as well doesn't deserve it. Once both are out I'll draw. I do agree that both Kenya and Argentina deserve to be in on it.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Argentina]:That seems reasonable to me, but how do we achieve that?
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Near-East]:Either we come to an agreement not to attack each other and get rid of those two cooperating (the fast way) or we keep fighting each other until we get rid of them both (the long way). I prefer the fast way of course, but don't know if it is possible. Either way, however, I think we will have to wait until after this year is over, since there is too little time left for everyone to act accordingly.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Argentina]:I agree, we can begin the quick way next season. (shame this was a really good game).
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [USA]:Or Russia and Argentina can ally up to defeat Near East. The only reason Near East doesn't want to draw is that Russia is his ally and Argentina has no ally. If the tables were reversed, Near East would be begging for a draw right about now.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [USA]:Near East is basically telling Russia and Argentina to stop fighting and kill me and brazil. Which is fine, but if Russia and Argentina are going to ally up , why stop there? You two can easily kill Near East - Argentina already has the positioning to do so. Looks like Kenya is already taking 2 of Near East's supply depots this autumn so with 2 fewer units he can go down just as easily as Brazil and myself. Either we all draw now or Russia/Argentina should ally up and win the game between themselves. Near East shouldn't have a say in this matter because what he is proposing is just as bad for himself.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [USA]:I don't really care if I lose this game because I only lost when I missed a crucial turn near the beginning due to traveling for the holidays. But I don't think Near East deserves a draw if Russia/Argentina decide to ally up because he is talking from his high horse only because Russia is currently his ally. Like I said, if Russia/Argentina stop fighting to take out me + brazil then they should continue their alliance and kill Near East. Let's see if he draws then when his high horse topples.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [India]:gogogogogo near east!
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Kenya]:As Kenya I will continue to defend myself until the end. If I happen to be included in a draw I'm satisfied.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Argentina]:As should we all, the problem comes when some players to not honour there contract to do so. They should be banned from partaking in another game unless a sound reason can be given to an adjudicator.
You have given your all to the game as have the other remaining active players & we have been cheated of the pleasure of our game.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Near-East]:USA stop talking crap. You should had died years ago. Argentina has been allied to Kenya all game long just as I have been allied with Russia. It was a pretty even matchup all the way. Obviously any three nations that decide to take the fourth out can do so, but it will take a million years to do so. Taking out a nation with three units that should had died ages ago will not take more than two years.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Near-East]:And I agree with Argentina, this was a great game until Western Canada left and I was enjoying it quite a bit. I would had been more than satisfies no matter the end result because it was a challenging game. I'm also sorry that Western Canada left this game.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Near-East]:I propose to both Kenya and Argentina that we cease our advances on each other and just support hold our positions until we get rid of the rest of them nations. I will be taking Rio this year and getting rid of Brazil.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [USA]:Like I said, if Russia and Argentina cease their advances on each other that becomes a big 3 way alliance which can easily take out Near East. Why stop at USA and Brazil? That's peanuts. And like I said, if the alliances were switched (aka Russia and Argentina allied vs Near East) I dont think he'd be so hesitant to call a draw. In fact he'd be the first to do so.
05 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Argentina]:Russia & Near East have an agreed alliance which was made at game start for the entire lenght of the game to a two way draw. No matter what the game dynamics are, they will not break their alliance.
This is why I have no game to left to play.
I could fight it with Kenya & Western-Canada but no chance when Western-Canada just leaves. Without a chance at negotiation it is just gunboat from a no chance position.
Thats not the game I signed up for.
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Kenya]:I suggest the following in line with Near-east's thoughts.

We halt the war between the two blobs (Russia/NE and Argentina/Kenya) and wait for USA and Brazil to be destroyed. After that we can draw and move on to better games.
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Near-East]:Agreed Kenya. Russia, Argentina are you in on this?
06 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2010: [Argentina]:Yes, I agree & thank you.
09 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Kenya]:Brazil is gone, and USA is on the brink of collapse. Hopefully by next build turn we will be able to draw-end this game.
09 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2011: [Argentina]:That is the aim & agreement I believe.
09 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 2012: [Near-East]:Yes, let's hope so.
10 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 2012: [Russia]:yeah i will try my very best
10 Jan 11 UTC Spring, 2012: [Russia]:but there will be no possibility to end it up in this round - autumn 2012 will be the end - hopefully
10 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Near-East]:Good moves guys, Only Florida is left. Remember to bounce Texas Argentina.
10 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Near-East]:and mexico
10 Jan 11 UTC Autumn, 2012: [Near-East]:Great. After build phase we can draw.
10 Jan 11 UTC [Argentina]:It is only you who not voted for the draw.
10 Jan 11 UTC [Argentina]:Sorry, I got that out all wrong.
What I was trying to say is that yours is the only vote we are waiting on.
10 Jan 11 UTC [Near-East]:Good game guys, I enjoyed playing with you all.

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Russia
kleines_a (290 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 94 D
26 supply-centers, 23 units
Argentina
The Lord Duke (3923 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 94 D
24 supply-centers, 22 units
Near-East
guak (3381 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 94 D
24 supply-centers, 24 units
Kenya
Aberacht (417 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 94 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Brazil
KovPro (185 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
China
Askari (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 18 D
Europe
Riqart (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 13 D
Frozen-Antarctica
Silver Wolf (9388 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Ghana
Kish1000 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
India
jaiaxe (125 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Libya
Ramse (610 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Pacific-Russia
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Quebec
Arnold_Friend (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
South-Africa
Zynikus (1473 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
USA
eunicechen (289 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Western-Canada
Emiliano (108 D)
Defeated. Bet: 4 D
Oz
FalloutBoy (202 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
Arnold_Friend (100 D)Quebec (Autumn, 2002) with 1 centres.
Kish1000 (100 D)Ghana (Autumn, 2008) with 0 centres.
philosopher (100 D)Western-Canada (Spring, 2009) with 12 centres.
Sergeant Hatred (100 D)Pacific-Russia (Autumn, 2006) with 0 centres.
Stanislaw (100 D)Europe (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
xythil (100 D)China (Spring, 2002) with 4 centres.
Riqart (100 D)Europe (Autumn, 2001) with 2 centres.
Askari (100 D)China (Spring, 2003) with 2 centres.
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