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Finished: 11 AM Wed 01 Sep 10 UTC
Tuesday Live!
5 minutes /phase
Pot: 140 D - Spring, 1911, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
31 Aug 10 UTC Autumn, 1910: guys have fun...kill turkey...he is a jackass....
31 Aug 10 UTC Autumn, 1910: whoa hey now, a jackass? maybe a little angry about being attacked but a jackass? unless his private comm was that bad, i hardly think he's been a jackass
31 Aug 10 UTC Autumn, 1910: no I havent been
31 Aug 10 UTC Autumn, 1910: i dont think that too...i just want to tease him-----lol
31 Aug 10 UTC Autumn, 1910: haha oh Tawz just getting everyone riled up eh?
31 Aug 10 UTC Autumn, 1910: right
31 Aug 10 UTC sorry france, but this has gotten way too close for comfort. ready to draw?
31 Aug 10 UTC well played jmeyers. well played indeed. : )
31 Aug 10 UTC Except the draw france! it is your only choice!
31 Aug 10 UTC mgm sorry about the fight, but I was going to offer you a survive when I took 3 of your centers for the win! you didn't have to die!! : )
31 Aug 10 UTC Turkey, well done convincing England to draw. I underestimated you sir. : ) I'd be proud to play against you again.

England - Jmeyers, a "tarnished" history with me?
31 Aug 10 UTC HAHA I am overjoiced at my success. save it france I dont care what you "would" have done. I look forward to future games with you, you treacherous snake
31 Aug 10 UTC thx. gg drano. you played a great game. tbh it was our history that did you in in this game.
31 Aug 10 UTC I'm disappointed, and your claim that F Brest was clearly an indication of me attempting to solo is dead wrong. F Brest was defensive becuase at any moment you could have moved Norwegian to NAO, NAO to Irish, NTH to Ec and had Brest/Bel/Hol at your memrcy.
31 Aug 10 UTC good game to both of you
31 Aug 10 UTC thus we see how not stabbing is in the long term a good strategy :)
31 Aug 10 UTC MGM, treacherous snake? Why so brutal with the language? You've never agreed to one thing and done another? I highly doubt that.
31 Aug 10 UTC but was i wrong that you were playing for the solo?
31 Aug 10 UTC I just cant believe I got the draw out of that one lol
31 Aug 10 UTC Yes Jmeyers, i meant to make this anon, made the mistake of not clicking it. Although anon would have been a different game I bet.
31 Aug 10 UTC well, in a ppsc you wouldn't have, i think. but wta changes the dynamics
31 Aug 10 UTC it all depended. If I had the chance, yes, I play for the solo. If the defenses are solid, then no, i wouldn't have stabbed just for the hell of it.
31 Aug 10 UTC "tarnished history" referring to our many stabs back and forth
31 Aug 10 UTC lol, it hasn't been that many has it??

I'll make the proclamation here now: Alliances are a means to an end for me. I play for the win. If that means you guys think I'm treacherous or untrustworthy so be it, but I think I proved trustworthy for 10 game years here. It goes to show that even people who play for the win can make good allies for a long time.
31 Aug 10 UTC my problem is that people who play for the draw see people who play for the win as problems and sometimes refuse to ally with them ever.
31 Aug 10 UTC even when it makes sense in game tactics
31 Aug 10 UTC oh I play for the win too. Iv stabbed my ally to get 1st place. I just dont like it when it happens to me ; )
31 Aug 10 UTC haha well then you "treacherous snake", I shall see you in a future game!
31 Aug 10 UTC i don't disagree with you drano. all approaches are viable provided they don't exploit the version of the game (e.g. cd, pauses, "the message didn't come thru"). just important to remember that about you in future :)
31 Aug 10 UTC well i'm glad you'll be as paranoid about me as i am about you! it's funny how we've stabbed each other many times and yet been good allies just as many times. odd isn't it? I think that it shows the true nature of the game when you look at that past history.
31 Aug 10 UTC I wasent called silver tongued for nothing! it is a means to an end
31 Aug 10 UTC it is interesting. we ust don't learn, do we?
31 Aug 10 UTC haha, learn what? that we like to stab each other, or that we're great allies?

I just think that the game is played in it's purest form when we look at our games. On one hand, we've stabbed each other before, so we should be less trusting of each other. But then, we've also been great allies so we should be more trusting. In the end, we take each game on it's own but at the same time, there's just that little bit of history to influence us.
31 Aug 10 UTC but still, our alliances tend to be strong and successful before we stab each other. one of these times we should carry it thru! it's sort of a never ending spiral tho, once you stab me once, i never trust u again, and vice versa.
31 Aug 10 UTC And that is in my opinion, the way to play. Don't let past history dictate your actions, thats what the board is for, but always keep it in the back of your mind.
31 Aug 10 UTC sorry, that was in response to my previous message, not yours.

But yes, we DO seriously need to carry it through one time. This could have been it, but unfortunately I grew too fast. I should have slowed down, but if I did, Turkey coudl have gotten to an inpenetrable position.
31 Aug 10 UTC yeah, if we had been thinking we could have swapped for the low countries or something. next time!
31 Aug 10 UTC not likely. I was doomed. but you took budapest drano and that was the lynchpin to my arguement to england
31 Aug 10 UTC ahh a shame indeed. next time for sure! lol

Turkey - England told me to take Budapest, it was his plan. My plan had him in Budapest and me in Ser/Gre/Smy
31 Aug 10 UTC yeah, why didn't we tihnk of trading the low counties? i'm surprised it never came up.
31 Aug 10 UTC i could never have held budapest in a pinch
31 Aug 10 UTC yeah, we sorta blew that one. it would have created a lot of potential for stabs, tho
31 Aug 10 UTC lol. yep I forsaw you taking serbia greece and smyrna giving you the solo. so england was supposed to have budapest to prevent that
31 Aug 10 UTC that's true which is why your idea was accepted instead of mine. But I'm just saying that me taking Budapest wasn't the cause of you assisting turkey.

As a side note, I could have taken Kiel/EC and moved on Berlin while you were gone, didn't that show my good intentions?? : p
31 Aug 10 UTC I only care about my record, and this is a nice minor victory for the boys back home
31 Aug 10 UTC no turkey you're not listening. the deal we accepted was me in budapest, serbia, Greece and england in Bulg, Rum, and all of turkey. Budapest wasn't contested grounds.
31 Aug 10 UTC and yes, i only care about my record too. i like playing that way. Points don't mean shit. and indeed it is a nice victory for you, well played like i said before.
31 Aug 10 UTC I get how you "would" split me up after budapest but the danger is you taking smyrna as the stab. that is what I was playing.
31 Aug 10 UTC as u said drao, taking kie woulda been a shitty way to win
31 Aug 10 UTC indeed. which is why i had the : p face.

MGM, Budapest wasn't the danger. Jmeyers admitted he coudln't ahve held it in a pinch. the danger was that I was ahead of him. I should have slowed down my gains in reality. I was hoping for 1 more turn of friendship and then a quick assault to win it.

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drano019 (1003 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 47 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
jmeyersd (4240 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 47 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
mgm1111 (728 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 47 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
knaidoo (315 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Mr. Yuck (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
TAWZ (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
Mr. Yuck (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1905) with 1 centres.
knaidoo (315 D)Russia (Autumn, 1905) with 2 centres.
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