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Finished: 02 PM Thu 29 Jul 21 UTC
everything is in the open, again.
1 day /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1910, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
21 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: I'm a little confused by england's lack of moves to be honest. You could have taken norway, given Germany's moves. I'm probably destroying MAO honestly. Even if I grab Brest and Bur I just can't get to 18 I moved to Mao just in case the turn went differently and Mar to cover but I think the dreams of an Italian solo are long dead.
21 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: I would really have liked to punish austria for the aggression though.
21 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: I could have done many things, but I'm over this and thought if I didn't do anything the game would have ended.
21 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: The Sultan of the Sublime Ottoman State still thinks an Italian solo is possible.
21 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: The problem is that Germany teams up with whomsoever decides they should go solo - so the Sultan may think whatever he likes!
Once England is finally gone (and Germany should get that sc - just saying..., then my draw vote will be cast.
21 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: The Sultan of the Sublime Ottoman State thinks that he rules the world and you are all a bunch of insolent children.
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Clearly Germany should get that center. What an obvously hostile move from Italy.
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Germany should get nothing and Austria and Italy should agree to a 2 way draw :-)
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Germany if I wanted I could have taken bel or Brest. I assumed you would support hold Norway as that was the most obvious move for England.
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Should have read chat more closely, didn't notice you asking for it last phase
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: I thought England was going for St Pete and Sweeden with one unit each so I was playing around that
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: I do see Denmark as part of German territory for the future though
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: That's totally acceptable. I wanted to garuntee we eliminated england which is why I proposed the plan I did but sometimes things get lost in communication. Germany do you have any interest info pushing further into Austria for a two player draw? I want revenge for the Austrian play for a solo.
22 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: The Sultan of the Sublime Ottoman State is chafing against his imprisonment by the Austrians and cheers this blatant effort on the part of the Italians to prepare the field for their own solo drive.
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Germany if you have no interest in punishing Austria then I will put up a draw vote following the elimination of England.
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Shall we bounce bur?
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Bounce Bur sounds delightful.
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: I've never attempted a two-way draw before, it sounds difficult to pull off
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: The Sultan should have something to say about that... lol
I appreciate your sentiment Italy - I never really thought that I'd be able to pull off the solo (Sultan?) but we needed to make some concrete decisions about whether England was in or out - and I couldn't quite figure out where you were going with that - so my apologies, I do appreciate the alliance we were able to forge to get both of us into this ultimate outcome. And that is not to diminish the fact that it was a three way pretty much from the get go and the three of us deserve to share the spoils!

My draw vote is cast.
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: The Sultan indeed has something to say about the two way draw. To the best of his knowledge there is not a stable two way draw configuration between Italy and Germany. The attempt for such would be the only way a solo would be possible for any of our big three.
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Veritable wisdom from the Sublime One, indeed!!
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Veritable wisdom from the Sublime One, indeed!!
23 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1909: It needed to be said twice, lol!!
24 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Sorry Germany I didn't see your response before I logged off for the day.
24 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: I'm happy to go for a two way draw with you if you are willing.
24 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Hey folks, I have saved a set of moves - but I'm going to be offline til the next cycle.
Since we are at a critical moment - I would prefer to be able to change my move set based on Germany's response.
It would be greatly appreciated if you would all vote Pause - and if that doesn't happen for any reason we will simply proceed based on the moves I have submitted.
24 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Hey folks, I have saved a set of moves - but I'm going to be offline til the next cycle.
Since we are at a critical moment - I would prefer to be able to change my move set based on Germany's response.
It would be greatly appreciated if you would all vote Pause - and if that doesn't happen for any reason we will simply proceed based on the moves I have submitted.
24 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: No pause. Kill me.
24 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Germany it appears as though we won't have an opportunity to pause. Could you offer a response?
24 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: I don't think a two way draw will work out, sorry
24 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Been looking for a line to draw, and it appears our Sublime friend is correct, it would end in a solo and I don't like my chances
25 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Germany what if we did the Sargossa line? I would cede England and take the remaining austrian and turkish centers with you taking moscow warsaw and sev. The line that is generally done in Juggernauts.
25 Jul 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Wow did I miss out!!
Well it's obvious I'm truly playing for the draw, lol.
27 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1910: Germany if I don't see a message from you I will assume you are going for the sargossa line with me.
27 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1910: I'm playing defensively so long as there's still fleets in the South. If you're really willing to cede England, I'm down to try Saragossa. Isn't it Moscow, Warsaw, and Portugal though?
27 Jul 21 UTC Spring, 1910: Honestly though, this sounds difficult to pull off, especially since our good friend and confidant Austria will do whatever it takes to stop such a draw
27 Jul 21 UTC Glad to see the draw vote from Germany :)

Italy - a message from the Pope - 'I will take revenge; I will pay them back. In due time their feet will slip. Their day of disaster will arrive, and their destiny will overtake them.’ (Deuteronomy 32:35) Since Germany's heart is not in this - perhaps we should let time heal the wounds and move on to other campaigns?!
27 Jul 21 UTC Germany I think you overstate Austria's position somewhat. From here they can only really threaten to throw to me or you, if they throw to you then I can not cede England particularly quickly, while I take advantage of my strong position and if they throw to me that's okay because you only need England and Russian centers meaning they have very little ability to stop us from splitting the board.
28 Jul 21 UTC Right, but that takes on faith that you would cede England instead of taking the solo win
28 Jul 21 UTC Can't you build fleets and force me out handily? I have three units up there, and nothing even coming round the bend.
28 Jul 21 UTC Hmmm alright. I think I could have played my cards better here but I think I have dashed my chances for a two way draw by making a play for a solo here. If that rotation went through against Austria I'd be in okay shape to go for a win but as it stands I no longer think I can get Germany on side enough to eliminate Austria and I don't have enough fleets to force Germany back efficiently.
28 Jul 21 UTC If I had destroyed Apulia rather than Mao it might be different but I'm going to call gg.
28 Jul 21 UTC As predicted, a solo rush
28 Jul 21 UTC Austria, is there anything I can do to help?
28 Jul 21 UTC The game is over! What an exciting finish!
28 Jul 21 UTC Germany I stabbed because you didn't seem jazzed about a 2 way. You didn't respond to my proposal and it was the only way I could see to continue to whittle.
28 Jul 21 UTC Good game everybody! It was very interesting!
28 Jul 21 UTC That truly was a rousing game of Diplomacy!!
Thanks everyone, especially you, Sultan, for contributing to the evolving dynamic through to the end :)
28 Jul 21 UTC Agreed! Great game, and the banter of the Sublime Southerner was a pure treat

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Italy
etonio (126 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Germany
spencerflem (147 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Austria
Warpathwilly (182 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 12 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
England
BenK (781 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
France
Jag1610 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
lpl1977 (94 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
Bakaron (319 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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