Finished: 12 PM Wed 23 Jun 21 UTC
Private Ghost Rating Challenge - Public Press 2
2 days /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1912, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
25 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Not sure about you, but I sure am surprised!
25 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Not yet, but I will be in Autumn!
25 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Apologies for my recent silence. It's been partly because I've been busy, but mostly because the course of this alliance is running so smooth that there is little that needs saying. I will be continuing to attack Italy, naturally.

Best of luck to Italy and Austria with the surprise fleet move.
25 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: @italy - understood

@all: would Bul to BLA and Bul to Gre fit the definition of surprising?
25 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: I would be wildly surprised if two fleets departed from Bul, yes
25 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Personally, I'd be surprised just be BUL-BLA.
25 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Moderator: (gimix): Game paused per user request. For any objections please email us at
26 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: That would be very impressive. I'm looking forward to it.
26 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: The Austrian porters are going to use the pause to great effect. Dismantling the Bulgarian fleet and piece by piece transporting it from coast to coast. The Russians won’t know what hit them ;-)
28 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Thank you all for the patience. I'm back now and ready to roll. I've thrown up my unpause vote, if we don't get them all in by Monday I'll message the Mods and ask to restart the game.
28 May 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Letsa go!
02 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Time for the most important part of the game - discussing which was the most surprising fleet move this year? Leaders in exile, feel free to opine should you have a position.

My top three are probably all this autumn:
3. Con-Aeg - a bold strategy, and one I did not see coming. Oh, to the missed opportunities!
2. MAO-Iri - it took me 45 hours to even notice it had occured,
1. Ion C Tun-Apu - who doesn't love a good convoy? No-one, that's who.
02 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Ooh, this is a good one. I have personally included a Spring move at number 3, although the top 2 I think are very solid. Well done France!

3. Bul-Gre - despite being suggested as part of the dismantle Bulgaria plan, this one still caught me off guard somehow.
2. Ion C Tun-Apu - Although the fleet in question didn't actually... move, this was an unexpected (and rather brilliant) move.
1. MAO-Iri - I had to do a double take when I saw this one, it was so separate from everything else, and very much not where I expected that fleet to go.
02 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: 3. NAP S APU-ROM. I had thought this fleet would support GRE-ION.
2. DEN S SWE. I have to give this move a shoutout for the trust it shows, when a lesser ally might consider DEN S NTH.
1. CON-AEG. like Russia, I did not expect this bold move. We all seem to have decided to avoid Turkey!

As for my moves... I have to confess that the convoy was ordered purely because I convoys are cool though it would work, rather than because I thought much about the value of an army in APU. Let's hope it proves useful. And I hope that MAO-IRI is only surprising and not also worrying; it felt right to have one unit guarding my back door. I'd be delighted to arrange a bounce in ENG, which I think neutralises any threat it poses.
02 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Nah I may need a fleet free to win next year's round...
02 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Fair enough. My fleet in IRI will continue attempting to surprise, while also not moving anywhere actually dangerous.
03 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: I await a surprise with baited breath.

Do we want to discuss tactics any further, or just continue in silence as has seemingly become tradition? I'm happy with either, although previously this same topic caused some amount of consternation...
03 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: My moves seem mostly separate from the other fronts, except to note that if Germany had time to attack Venice, it would be very helpful. Oh, and I'm going to roll a dice and convoy ALB-NAP on a 5 or 6, to keep things surprising.
03 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: I'd better get out of your way then, just in case
03 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: That convoy was going from ALB, rather than to it :-)
03 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Oh, even better! I'll learn how to read eventually
03 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: So many options... So many movesets with the potential to crush Austria/Italy... And I have to choose just one? Oh dear... Well, hopefully I've chosen one that is helpful to you my friends, but I don't want to tell those people over there how to counter it. And what would be a fittingly surprising fleet move?
04 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Oh shoot, we were so close to being able to make this the final turn, but we have Greece to deal with... And do not worry Russia, I am merely surprising you.
04 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Dear Germany, I am shocked, SHOCKED I say, by your moves. But I'm not worried. If you were to visit Stockholm I could simply retreat into Copenhagen for the season. Even discussing it feels somewhat unnecessary.

Importantly though, it's a strong contender for the Surprise Fleet Award 1909!

As to concluding the game, I suspect we need at least one more year, although we may get to the point where we are fighting the single army in Anatolia trying to defend 3 centres. At that stage, just for the sheer audacity of the situation, I would consider putting a draw vote in early...
08 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
10 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Oh yeah, I forgot I had put in a surprising fleet move, has it really been 6 days since the Spring resolved? Germany, fear not, it was similarly all for the shock value.

I assume, Germany, you will want Serbia as your 11th centre, and France wants Greece? I will aim to take Con and Ank this year, unless we want to draw now (as I had suggested earlier. Everyone knows how this game ends, now it's just a case of making it happen)

Actually... As the first game in the Ghost Rating Challenge to finish, does centre count matter? I know the game is DSS, but is there going to be an post game discussion which gives greater value to centre count or something? Do we want to end 11/11/11/1, for a neat share of the board top? Ohh the questions that should have been asked but weren't (or were and I forgot!!)!
10 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Oh woe is me! I cannot retreat to anywhere other than Denmark! However shall I surprise you now?
11 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Russia, Germany: What curious moves in the Northern seas. You've certainly succeeded in surprising me! I think it is all just good fun, but if either of you are worried and would value an intervention from French peacekeepers, just let me know.

Russia, are you thinking we are heading for a four way draw? I had rather assumed that three was the target.

Either way, I have no strong feelings about my final centre count, since we are in draw size scoring.
11 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: France, I appreciate your offer of peacekeeper. My move was for fun, so I don't want anyone thinking I'll take advantage now it's done.

I was expecting a 3 way draw, but thought now would be the time to ask the question about how we want this game to end. I'll just keep pushing south until someone yells stop
11 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: And I won't be yelling stop any time soon. And also yeah I'll probably just waltz into Serbia behind you Russia if you're okay with that.
11 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Sounds good to me. I'll not be doing anything interesting, or yelling stop; I think our alliance is very stable, and see no obstacle to this being a simple 3 way draw.
11 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1909: Don’t underestimate the might of the Austrian army in absentia!
18 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1910: You know it's not too late to agree to a draw right now!
20 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1911: Germany, Russia, do you care at all what centre counts we end the game on? I don't mind ceding a centre in Autumn to bring it to 12/12/10, if you care about topping the board.
20 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1911: I'm not worried about board topping, if Germany has a preference then I can move from Bul to Con and give Germany or France the advantage in a 12/11/11.

That said, I've just looked through the game again and feel bad knocking Italy out after their noble return of Mar is what led them to this unfortunate position
20 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1911: Perhaps it would be funny/nice to leave them in. I have no influence down there, so whatever you prefer.
20 Jun 21 UTC Spring, 1911: Personally, I'd finish the job. But it's entirely up to you, I won't be coming further that way.
21 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1911: Russia, I'm curious about your fleet moves in the North. They don't seem altogether friendly. May I ask what your thinking is there?
21 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1911: France, I noticed your position around London and Belgium, and thought I would position to counter should this great alliance broke down. Given the imminent draw vote, I don't think there should be any concern
21 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1911: Thanks Russia. You are entirely correct that I intended to menace Belgium and London, but only in the case that Germany attacked you; I got slightly nervous about Germany's fleet moves, combined with your relative weakness around Warsaw. Just as you say, there is no real danger here, and I fully expect this to be the last turn.
21 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1911: Such are the consequences of surprising fleet moves. Speaking of which, are we gonna give out any more awards?
21 Jun 21 UTC Autumn, 1911: The best way to assure that nobody goes for a solo is to call draw now
21 Jun 21 UTC My vote is in.

I made a sneaky late bid for most surprising fleet move, but somehow Germany failed to do their bit.
21 Jun 21 UTC Oh, that would have been very good! Vote in
21 Jun 21 UTC Ah sorry about that France...
21 Jun 21 UTC Wow I can't believe my luck, I managed to sneak into the draw! GG I guess!
21 Jun 21 UTC Wow, never would've picked Wusti as grumpy man in the corner lol.

Good game all! It was a pleasure working with you Russia, one of the more enjoyable alliances I've had lately for sure. It was very refreshing to have someone I felt almost completely no threat from throughout the game.
21 Jun 21 UTC I'll have to try harder next time, give you a scare!
21 Jun 21 UTC Meh - by the time I logged into this game my fate had been decided, and I was never going to be allowed into it. That kind of thing gets my goat (among many others :P)
21 Jun 21 UTC Thanks for the game everyone! My first foray into public press, it was fun.

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