Finished: 05 PM Tue 09 Feb 21 UTC
Private gunboat with EOG expectation 4
1 day /phase
Pot: 105 D - Spring, 1912, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
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25 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1907: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
28 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
08 Feb 21 UTC gg .... I couldn't decide whether this game was ready to draw but seeing as everyone else had their vote up and I think the only way was going to be down for me
08 Feb 21 UTC That sentence isn't finished but I think it still makes sense
08 Feb 21 UTC GGs!

While I'll post my actual, lengthy AAR later (probably on pastebin or something), my immediate response would be that I think it was reasonable for you to hold out on the draw, but you needed to try for the solo immediately once everyone else had their draw up. There was 2-3 turns? I think? Where Russia didn't have a draw up? I might be wrong, but during that time, you should have set up for stabbing them. Holding out on the draw when they had the ability to take 1 center off you in CON wasn't going to lead to you soloing.

And while I agree that there was more game to be played, I put my draw up because I was the most likely to get cut out of a draw, imo.
08 Feb 21 UTC Same reasoning here, France. If someone was getting whittled, it was either gonna be you or me. I just held off on draw-voting because I wanted to eliminate Germany first.
08 Feb 21 UTC GG all, by the way! I’ll begin compiling my post action report too. Boy, I thought I was toast after bungling the defense of St. Petersburg!
08 Feb 21 UTC And Austria, it was a pleasure working with you right up until the end. We accomplished a lot together
09 Feb 21 UTC Yes you both did R/A. Sorry my commitment to our alliance wasn't enough, but I understand why you did what you did. After you turned on me Italy should have allied with me (I had been sending signals for a while). Regardless, gg you 4.
09 Feb 21 UTC GG everyone!

More later, but I obviously struggled to get much traction in this one (which happens to me with Italy much more than any other power). I'm not so sure allying with Turkey would have helped much - after Autumn 1903 Turkey was in lots of trouble - but if I had concentrated West at the right moment I could probably have thrived there.
09 Feb 21 UTC Not a very interesting game for me, I’m afraid. England and France seemed intent on killing me, and Russia was cool with that.

#whateryagunnado
10 Feb 21 UTC I tried to help you, Germany; we just couldn't get our act together and properly coordinate our attacks.
10 Feb 21 UTC Good game everybody. Will we post eog’s here?

This game was all about convincing France to ally with me against Germany (sorry Germany). I decided to fully commit to a particular direction from the beginning and to hope that I could pull France along with me. It took some convincing! I’m very relieved to have survived to the draw. If I’d tried to continue it would have been to go for a solo victory and if that were even remotely possible I’m sure France would have put a stop to it. So I kept the draw flag flying and there you have it.

You guys made good use of the supports to shift the game one way or another. Very interesting.
10 Feb 21 UTC I've gone ahead and thrown my unedited notes into a Pastebin. Read at your pleasure. https://pastebin.com/P0bDP6Ca

The other things to add are
1. Germany, if England opens north, you should consider letting Russia into Sweden. You've just experienced what happens when England has no competition in Scandinavia, Russia would have been a helpful ally.

2. Every time that I'm France and Italy doesn't bounce me in Piedmont in Spring 1901, I've tried sending the army to Tyrolia. It's never worked out well in the long run. I don't think I'll ever do it again.
10 Feb 21 UTC @France, in retrospect it would have been better to let Russia in. At the time, I felt like I was going to be able to work with YOU. I was certainly trying to court your friendship. My press just didn’t entice you.

Also, the way things started in the south with Russia taking Black Sea, I was worried about Russia getting too strong. Bouncing him in Sweden was my attempt at a balancing move. If I expected an E/F ganging up on me (which was signaled immediately next with your ‘01 build) I wouldn’t have done it, but I misread the Western Triangle.
10 Feb 21 UTC Makes sense *thumbs up* I think I'm biased from the meta in the Nexus discord speedboat, where England not opening to the channel means bad times for Germany.
10 Feb 21 UTC @Germany: I see why you would be concerned about supercharging me, given that you didn't realize I was going to (initially) accept Turkey's offer of friendship. But choosing France as an ally over Russia is a very dangerous gamble, as France is by far the most powerful nation in Gunboat. Even a Russia that gets Sweden and Rumania in 1901 can still be knocked out pretty easily.

@France: yeah, I had some thoughts about that annoying army you sent into no man's land lol. I'll try to get my notes up later tonight as well
10 Feb 21 UTC @Russia, fair enough. In my defense, I did move hard on France after his build was so unfriendly. I just got completely massacred by England in the north during my attempt. Didn't really have a chance after that. A very effective strike by England.
11 Feb 21 UTC Here are my notes from the game:

https://pastebin.com/xTF5XcLH
11 Feb 21 UTC Read through your notes, France. I think it's kinda funny we were both so exasperated with each other at various points in the game. But oh well; we ultimately both survived, so no harm done.

I think one thing I learned in this game was to be much more aggressive as Russia. Let other people support you, rather than supporting them. I think I would have had a much better game had I accepted Germany's support into Sweden in 1903. Without that extra build, I was stretched incredibly thin between two fronts and just had to trust Austria not to stab me for most of the game (thank you for not doing that, Austria).

I think the A/R can definitely work in gunboat, as this game showed. But England's strength (and Italy's weakness) made it a very unstable alliance in this case. The problem was that once Italy and Turkey were gone, the only centers Austria could go for other than mine were ones over the stalemate line, which I did not want to help him get.

England: I am interested to know, had the game kept going, would you have kept attacking me, in spite of the possible Austrian solo threat?

France: I also think it was funny how we were both terrified of getting eliminated for pretty much the whole match lol. I have two questions for you. The first is: with your plan to survive in Iberia, weren't you concerned that such a plan would likely allow Austria to solo? If Austria got Tunis, and then turned on me, all he would need to win would be Munich and/or Marseilles. Maybe you thought I would be able to hold a few of my centers against him if that happened?

Also, why did you stop attacking England after Spring 1907? I guess the answer is probably "to defend against Austria," but once you stopped attacking him, it became impossible to eliminate him. I wasn't strong enough to fight him on my own. Did you already see the way things were tending by that point and figured the biggest threat was an Austrian solo?

Austria: my question for you is whether you ever contemplated stabbing me, and if so, what stayed your hand? Because boy was I worried about that for the whole game lol.

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