Finished: 12 AM Mon 14 Dec 20 UTC
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Pot: 1029 D - Autumn, 1916, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by josemurc (29758 D)
24 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1905: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
01 Dec 20 UTC Spring, 1909: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
14 Dec 20 UTC gg Turkey
@ France, I have to apology for throwing the game to Turkey, you would have highly deserved the Draw.
If there is one thing that I deeply dislike in Dip, is a vulture eating my back while I hold back someone from winning a solo.
I guess that's also why I usually don't play SoS and should remember not to join them in the future.
14 Dec 20 UTC Yeah, England that's a trash play -- gotta recognize the state of the board better than that.
14 Dec 20 UTC Well. The excuse of 0k0k0 is not the real one. He was not holding back Turkey from winning a solo. He was very frustrated not to have achieved his own one. And SoS would not have changed anything. I was not grabbing centers. I tried the draw-3.
GG teccles: sad you didn't play Bur > Ruh instead of the (useless) Bur > Par. Holding Tun, it would have been achievable.
14 Dec 20 UTC Moderator: (Claesar): Yes, this result is much better. Only one remains.
14 Dec 20 UTC I disagree. E/F defended well, even with all units mixed up, which I was counting on to take advantage. I failed and when I lost a fleet I replaced it with an army. I had to let go of RUM which is not defendable and disbanded another fleet, while holding the line.
When Eng took Hol, I had to cover KIE, fragilising the stalemate line. It was still a clean 4W. I sent a warning with my two fleet.
The built in F EDI, spoke clearly of England's intention, while I stoped Turkey. I was not willing to be sacrified for the nice eyes of the guy in my back.
14 Dec 20 UTC CptMike: I thought long and hard about the turn you refer to; I of course knew BUR-PAR did nothing except undermine your efforts. I thought that while we might be able to eliminate Germany and hold MUN/BER/ST P, there's no way we'd be able to do that as well as holding MAR/SPA. Turkey would have attacked immediately, and I just didn't have the units to fight on both fronts.

After I declined your offer, I really thought you would/should stop attacking England. The continued attacks until the end made this solo the only likely outcome, as I see it.

0k0k0: no worries on throwing the game. Personally, I'd have tried to cling on to my 5 SCs, but IMO England pushed you well past the point where throwing was reasonable. You played the earlier part of this game very well - never really helping England, but also never giving them a big reason to switch sides, was very well done. You were unlucky, I think, that we coordinated so well and quickly after you stabbed England (I was certainly expecting a few more misunderstandings), and also that Turkey finished off Italy very fast to give you real Southern problems.

Turkey: congratulations! You did very well to dominate the East, and to take advantage of the shambles of the West.
14 Dec 20 UTC @teccles : that's true that after you decline the offer with Bur < Par, it was much harder. And it was impossible after Bel-Hol but the boy had decided to commit suicide that turn. You made another mistake in trying Mao > Bre which may well have given him the solo. And you should not defend him. Deciding not to help finishing France has the same weight as accepting to finish the game with 4 centers. It is just a question of ego. It was very easy for him to finish with Mun - Kie - Ber and StP. That's the game... if you are an adult.
14 Dec 20 UTC @jmbostwick : in such a situation as yours in '02, I think it is wiser to abandon StP (and disbanding the fleet.) You had not a single chance after losing War.
14 Dec 20 UTC @CptMike - my defense of Germany's play is entirely genuine; I am not angry about the throw. We all have our breaking points for throwing the game; I think Germany's here is within the reasonable range. Which is why, in you position, I would not have risked pressing this attack. I'll admit that I haven't played enough SoS to know what the 'conventions' are over this; so I suppose it's possible your move was safer than I realise, and most Germanys would have accepted a 4/5 centre draw.

I agree that MAO-BRE was a mistake; at least given your moves. At this point in the game, I didn't trust your competence to enter the support which guaranteed me Belgium (I probably should have done - your strategy sometimes confused me, but your tactics were solid). I was very happy you bounced me - well done.

BEL-HOL was another move in my efforts to get you to stop attacking Germany, and thereby prevent the solo. But yes, by then I think the differences in the West were irreconcilable.

I thought the first several years of this game were very interesting. The stab by Germany seemed inevitable to me - the thing that telegraphed it most was taking St P with an army rather than a fleet. I was wondering whether you were tempted to switch to my side, and whether there was anything I could have done to make that more attractive?
14 Dec 20 UTC Eng, my timing for the stab had two grounds; tell me if I am wrong, but I expected to be stabbed, the right next season. Finding myself pressed between E and T, and not surviving at all - which was a good base for an English solo, so I had to move first.

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Turkey
josemurc (29758 D)
Won. Bet: 147 D, won: 1029 D
19 supply-centers, 17 units
France
teccles (1848 D)
Survived. Bet: 147 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
England
CptMike (4384 D)
Survived. Bet: 147 D
4 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
0k0k0 (4755 D)
Survived. Bet: 147 D
3 supply-centers, 4 units
Italy
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Austria
czechveck (620 D)
Defeated. Bet: 147 D
Russia
jmbostwick (2308 D)
Defeated. Bet: 147 D
Civil Disorders
dagabs0 (24521 D)Italy (Spring, 1909) with 4 centres.
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