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Pot: 160 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
02 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Happy new year all.
02 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: My draw vote has also been up the whole time since the glitch gave us all bonus points. Just saying.
02 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: That would be an incredible way to start the new year, really set it apart from the previous... whatever that was.
02 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Happy New Year indeed! And yes, mine has been up since Turkey declared they wouldn't stab you, Italy :D
02 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
02 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Happy New year!
02 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: Sorry about that move Germany, I just couldnt get that anglo-german alliance out of my head
02 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1908: That's fine, but I'm pulling units from the Turkish border to try and hold my homeland, so don't blame me if he starts threatening a solo...
05 Jan 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Wow, England.
06 Jan 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Wow, Germany. What happened to defending the homeland?
06 Jan 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Turns out getting stabbed in the fucking back makes it harder to do so :P
06 Jan 21 UTC Autumn, 1908: Still, at this point we've got four countries and I don't see any of us being completely removed. This is a draw; my vote is in.
06 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Are we all voting draw?
06 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Just realised how is the pot 160 when the bet is 20 per person. Surely it should be 140?
06 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Just realised how is the pot 160 when the bet is 20 per person. Surely it should be 140?
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Hi Folks: New Germany here. Do I have any allies in this world?
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: jeez, sad to see the old kraut flee. I suppose he couldnt stick it out to the end
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: I did quite like him, even though he underestimated me and overestimated the english
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: New Kraut, my draw flag is up, but until then, I will be forced to move against you, simply due to my momentum
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: That’s fair enough France. In that case, I suppose my best strategy is to allow one of you (either Turkey or France) to gobble up 2 or 3 of my SCs while ensuring that the other two get none. That will creat an imbalance of points with the lucky one having about 80-ish points and the other two dropping below their current points, as well as create a serious risk of a solo.

A plan so crazy that it might just get me to survive to the draw.
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: My strategic mind admires your plan, but my paranoid mind thinks you're throwing us all for a loop
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: No, its dumb.
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: You are trying to create a draw by actively incentivizing one player NOT to vote for a draw by promising them more points.
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Furthermore, the only cross-stalemate line center Germany could conceivably throw is STP to Turkey, which also happens to be one of the easiest ones for France to scoop up with its fleets in the event of a solo try, and it would almost certainly be retaken prior to Turkey taking all of my centers (to say nothing of the fact that Italy+Tunis are incredibly easily defended from the west, so getting one center across the line is fairly meaningless in this scenario). So the solo threat is, and always will be, minimal.
08 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Moreover because it's anonymous draw votes, you don't know really which one of France or Turkey (or both) doesn't have a draw vote up and therefore cannot pick the correct one, if any, to try to throw to.
09 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Italy: If you have a better plan, I’m listening.
09 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: My draw vote has been up, and i also dont plan on stabbing italy. So you guys can figure out what you want to do
09 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Turkey and Italy: Are you two willing to work with me to form a stalemate line against France? Or would you prefer to continue attacking me?
09 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: Well right now everyone claims their draw vote is up and someone is obviously lying
09 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: The joy of hidden votes
09 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: So... doesn’t seem like you have any better plan Italy. Doesn’t seem that you can get Turkey on board with peace.
09 Jan 21 UTC Spring, 1909: To be clear, you can't get them on board with peace. I'm not sure why I should be carrying your water to figure out how to get you into a draw.
09 Jan 21 UTC Sorry that was an asshole thing to say, hadn't had coffee yet still tired and crabby
10 Jan 21 UTC France: I’ve decided to not give you any of my SCs as I suspect you are the one with your draw vote off. You will remain stuck at 10 SCs, while Turkey increases his count to 11 or 12. The way SOS scoring works, you will actually have LESS than your current 54 points. Drawing now will give you the most points you’re going to get. The longer you wait, the more your score will dwindle.
10 Jan 21 UTC I have my draw vote up
10 Jan 21 UTC I dont know why you would assume it was me, I've mentioned multiple times in the past that I was willing to draw and that has not changed.
10 Jan 21 UTC dunno what I'd have to do to convince you of that but oh well.
10 Jan 21 UTC you are entirely correct, points wise, there would be no point to me not drawing in the immediate right now
10 Jan 21 UTC as such, my draw flag is up
10 Jan 21 UTC I told myself I would never play another hidden draw game. I really really hate hidden draw.
10 Jan 21 UTC Well at this point Turkey wouldn't have a draw vote up since they are about to at least get Warsaw
10 Jan 21 UTC I will say this:

Germany, I have more to lose than gain by you dying at this point, so I won't attack Berlin, you can use it to cover Kiel (or use it to support Baltic in) thereby allowing A Denmark to hold so France can't sneak in the back. So now if it is France they really have no reason to not vote draw.

Turkey, I will take down my draw vote shortly before phase end and if it turns out you decided to try to pick up Trieste or Vienna I will keep it down, support France into the rest of Germany, and then work with France to support hold Ionian and Venice until they are in a place where picking up Rome/Naples/Tunis will get them to 18.
11 Jan 21 UTC I thank you for that Italy and respect your strategy. If Silesia is not doing anything, then support into Warsaw from Livonia would be greatly appreciated.
11 Jan 21 UTC Not going to turn on turkey unless they attack me so Silesia will not be doing that, but hopefully if they are the holdout they’ll be happy with Warsaw
11 Jan 21 UTC I will turn my draw vote back on after this turn ends, i dont plan on taking anything of yours italy as i previously mentioned
11 Jan 21 UTC I hope that is acceptable?
11 Jan 21 UTC Yes
11 Jan 21 UTC draw flag is up and remains up
12 Jan 21 UTC Good game everyone! Thanks for playing :)

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Turkey
KinkyCupcake (127 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 64 D
11 supply-centers, 10 units
France
Dart_attack (85 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 53 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Italy
Aristocrat (723 D)
Drawn. Bet: 20 D, won: 26 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Germany
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 19 D
6 supply-centers, 7 units
England
Brinbino (155 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Austria
cardboardbox (651 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Russia
JMB22 (1787 D)
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
Civil Disorders
jmbostwick (2308 D)Germany (Spring, 1909) with 7 centres.
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