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Finished: 10 AM Thu 12 Nov 20 UTC
Non anon-4
1 day /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1912, Finished
Classic, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Haha, nothing wrong with a last ditch effort to get England and France fighting. France, you are right, Diplomacy is much more than just lying; that was my oversight this game. My web of lies got too complex, Russia and Austria just had enough of my bullshit.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: If you'd like an early AAR, here's my take. The early game involved my Magdeburg, which I have since removed from my playbook, a Germany who promised everyone everything, and who thus became a mutual removal target of E/F/R. Once that was achieved, it was apparent that R was winning the diplomacy battle hands down by completely bamboozling Turkey with a compliant and passive Austria. My assessment at that stage was that the primary solo threat was Russia, hence I stabbed. Russia's strength and competence required exactly the sort of well-coordinated and stable E/F that sometimes results in a 2-way.
Not very complicated IMO.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Cross-posted with Turkey who apparently inadvertently contributed to their own demise.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Summaries good. Now France won’t solo, will England?
As I’ve said I’ve Dona 2way snoredom and stabbed (my son in a private game) to solo. I know which I enjoyed most. Also. I get up with this board game. We never ever drew.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: *grew
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: As a general point I'd suggest stabbing to solo in a game in which 3 powers dominate the mid-game is incredibly difficult, particularly for configurations like E/F/R. Whenever one country stabs, it allies the other 2.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: I get that, but you guys decided in Spr01 the course of the game regardless. Fair enough - been there also, but in one of those games in particular I wish I had a spine.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: It's never as rigid as that. Had, for example, France overrun Italy rapidly and you had been stalled in the Balkans I imagine the alliances would've worked out completely differently.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Agreed, while E/F has been strong throughout, the rest of the dynamics across the whole board were a primary catalyst for that strength.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: You can't justify shite bagging it. But hey, lets play to the end.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: But, I will note as well that I was never really inclined to stab England, regardless of where things went, because I enjoyed interacting with him/her/them.

And that is probably the best lesson to learn from this game, is that being a faithful *and friendly* ally is the best way to succeed (or at least survive to the end game).
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: See above
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Non-anon5 is shaping up to be a doozie.
01 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Hehehe - as I say, I hold no grudges or care about names :-)
02 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: But yes :-)
02 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Can't wait :)
02 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: I just joined; I would never pass up another opportunity to betray my good friend Mr Ron Hardie of Russia.
02 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Welcome
02 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Woah woah France I was only trying to spice things up. Using global chat to try and break up alliances is also part of the game.
02 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: All good, not upset at you Austria, all in the game
02 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Who could you be upset at?
02 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Fair point
02 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1908: I’m assuming it’s the guys in Brest. They must have done something to still have troops based there.
03 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1908: It's the excellent seafood. Nobody wants to leave.
03 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1908: I thought it might be the comical name.
03 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1908: lol g1
03 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1908: Lolol
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: Has England actually done anything? Yeah they took St P but everything else has been won by France. I’d be ashamed at this especially as France will need to let England play catch up because of their inadequacy.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: Have I done anything? I stabbed you rather effectively.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: England's definitely done their work this game. They're far from an inadequate or an inexperienced player.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: My point being that in this great Anglo Franco union, France has done all the work. England are the leech of the partnership. France needs to gift England 6 cities to draw.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: I think you're confusing me with the Westminster government and the way they took all the Scottish oil.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: And continue to do so.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: Damn Sassenachs
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: I disagree. We had equal efforts subduing Germany, but England had the much harder job stabbing and fighting Russia. I got opportunistic gains against Italy, and when Russia stabbed Austria and their alliance fell apart, I was just lucky to be in a position to mop up the mess.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: Unless you play a variant that has SCs in maritime provinces, France tends to do more heavy lifting in an E/F.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: No worries. Just taunting. Not working. But France could win this year.
05 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: When things go pear shaped. Use global to try and sow division.
06 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1909: Fair
08 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: 1 center away? So you gonna let me keep Vienna and ank until england can catch up?
08 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: Catch up! Exactly.
08 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1909: Yes, that was promise, and I'm going to keep it.
10 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1910: I think quickest here is Spring: You support Gal-Vie, I backfill from War. Fall: you vacate Rum and take Ank, I move Sev-Rum and take Bud from Gal. Confetti and balloons.
10 Nov 20 UTC Autumn, 1910: gg e1
10 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Well played.
10 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Agree with the plan England.

Good game all, hopefully y'all will believe in the possibility of 2-ways in the future. Sometimes it's even more satisfying than a solo.
10 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Not biting :-)
10 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1911: You stick to your guns, Ron, just don't point em at me.
10 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Good game
Thanks all
10 Nov 20 UTC Spring, 1911: Hehe GK. no worries.

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England
GameKat (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 18 D
17 supply-centers, 15 units
France
conqueso (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 18 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
Austria
Diplomaster4 (234 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Turkey
335750162 (184 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Russia
RonHardie (105 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Germany
jeroen10j (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Italy
rick258 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Civil Disorders
BenitoMussolini69 (100 D)Italy (Autumn, 1904) with 3 centres.
KoalaAttack (100 D)Austria (Spring, 1907) with 3 centres.
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