Finished: 08 AM Mon 12 Oct 20 UTC
Loudmouth Junction
1 day /phase
Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
07 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck and have fun, guys
07 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck all
08 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1901: GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
09 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Moderator: (Szpoti): Dear Players,
On request of one of the players, this match has been paused till Sunday. Objections to the pause should be sent to the webDiplomacy Moderator Team at webdipmod@gmail.com.
14 Sep 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Moderator: (Szpoti): Unpausing now. The phase has been reset.
06 Oct 20 UTC Spring, 1907: Alright, just a very quick overview of the stalemate line:
Italy:
F ION Support F TYR
F NAP Support F TYR
A TUS Support A PIE
A TYR Support A MUN
A BOH Support A MUN
A SIL Support A BER

Germany:
A MUN H (or S H BER)
A BER H (or S H MUN)

Russia:
Gets units into position at PRU, LIV, MOS, then:
A PRU Support A LIV
A MOS Support A LIV

France has access to Tunis, Denmark, Norway, Sweden and St. Pet. putting them at 16 supply centers. I propose we draw after Turkey and England are eliminated? It’s been a fun game everyone!
06 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm willing to accept a three-way draw between Russia, Italy and me.
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: There's no realistic way to finish me off without running the risk of France hitting 18 SCs
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: That, plus the risk of Germany throwing the game to France if we decided to arrange a threeway draw means that I'm content with a fourway draw
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: I'm willing to support Italy and Russia into German centers to make a three-way draw safe for both of you. Munich can go to Italy, Sweden to Russia and Berlin to either one of you.

Italy and I both sit at eleven centers right now. In order to solo I would need Germany's centers, Norway, Tunis and one more--a nigh impossible task with all of Italy's units heading west. If we split Germany, those centers still don't put us in danger of a solo attempt.

So let's the three of us stay calm and work towards a three-way draw.
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Sweden is a useless center to give to Russia, because you can't make up a stalemate line running through it. So France can always use the surplus of fleets to retake Sweden. Therefore I don't think it is even a good idea to even bother with it.

I think the only way you'd really convince me for a threeway draw is to see a turn where France seriously pulls all forces back so as to not form a solo threat anymore. That includes taking pressure off of Tunis.
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Note that this also goes for St. Pet. France didn't mention it in his post, but four fleets will also be able to take St. Petersburg, no matter how many units a southern power can pull to defend it.

So in my mind Denmark, Norway, Sweden and St. Petersburg are all already French centers.
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: I think its a four-way draw. Because as soon as I or Russia start coordinating with France about taking out Germany, even if it was in private chat, it would always be in France's interest to forward those discussions to Germany and have Germany throw the game. Not that I'm saying that is 100% going to happen but the risk is too great for me.

And besides, Germany stuck it out pretty well this game and I've enjoyed talking to him in this otherwise pretty quiet game. So I'm just going to keep supporting Munich and Berlin and I've got my draw vote back up. France can follow suit whenever he sees fit.
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Thank you Italy. Besides, there is the question of sportsmanship. My share of the pot would only be 3 more points for each of you, which is hardly worth wasting the time and effort to finish me off. Not to mention the inherent risk of France soloing in such a scenario.
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Russia, are you willing to risk losing your entire bet for the slim chance of getting 3 more points? Besides, I only have 2 fewer SCs than you.
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Russia voted for 4-Draw (as was established between us) and it doesn't matter for me how many points I'll get. :)
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Sorry, I'm colorblind. I mistook Russia for France
07 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Well, I still don't see how I'm a legitimate solo threat (especially given the care that everybody, especially Italy, is giving to this conversation), but I will leave the Wmed, North Africa and the Norwegian and leave Tunis alone if it would help convince you.

On the topic of sportsmanship: I aim to play fairly, as kindly as possible, and I aim for a win or at least a strong draw in every game, which would dictate at least trying for a three-way draw in this one. Playing this game as best as possible is worth the time and effort, so let's keep talking about how we can finish it.
10 Oct 20 UTC Spring, 1908: You all are greedy. I played a good game, but I guess the extra 3 points was just too tempting? Classy.
10 Oct 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well, I guess if no one else wants to be a sportsman I will be. I disbanded all three to avoid prolonging the game.
11 Oct 20 UTC Apologies Germany.
And thanks for the game all!

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France
hthefourth (500 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Italy
RotBlau (128 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Russia
Stacee_Jaxx (187 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
England
brucemagnus (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Germany
Gunfighter06 (224 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Austria
C14-r4n (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Turkey
gordonpup (1400 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
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