Finished: 08 AM Sat 01 Aug 20 UTC
Diplomats play to not loose, Champions play to win
1 day /phase
Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1907, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
0 excused missed turn
Game drawn
11 Jul 20 UTC Spring, 1901: I wish everyone an entertaining and fun game, and skilled diplomatic tongues.
12 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1901: entertaining indeed!
13 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1901: Thank you so much Austria ...
13 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1901: Game screwed in turn 2 ... Italy looking for a new ally(allies)
13 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1901: Please make sure to hit the ready button when you have your builds, if no one needs 24 hours for it then no reason to wait.
14 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1901: Austria didn't get the memo then?
That splash of green in the middle of all the dull brown, purple and yellow certainly makes the map look prettier :)
14 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1901: Ready
15 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: The German peacekeeping force has moved into Tyrolia to help restore order and tranquillity to the more troubled parts of Europe.
15 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: Didn't they capture Vienna the last time they said that?
31 Jul 20 UTC My vote for a draw is in until the end of this turn.
31 Jul 20 UTC same
31 Jul 20 UTC Same )
31 Jul 20 UTC So up to either france or turkey...
31 Jul 20 UTC Good game y'all.
31 Jul 20 UTC GGs
31 Jul 20 UTC This was just a crazy game. Austria caused me no end of trouble by moving into Bohemia so I couldn't build my planned fleet in Kiel. That made it really hard to attack England and that held me up for most of the game.
By 04 or 05 it was obvious Russia had to stab either me or Turkey and others confirmed that was the thinking. I thought it was much more likely to be me so moved to defend against the stab. Unbelievably Russia went for Turkey instead of me so I got in a decent position despite an assault by England who I wanted to help defend against Russia.
My solid alliance with France was born out of the first move when we both agreed to leave Burgundy neutral and both kept to that agreement. It's so much easier to play with one ally you can trust and both France and I benefitted from that. On the other hand England moved to the Channel in 01 when I wanted thought they were going to go for Russia so I didn't have that basis of trust with them.
Both France and I could have stabbed each other at various points in the game but I don't find it easy to stab a long term ally. And that's really what drove me to suggest a draw at the end. We could have wiped out Russia and would have if they hadn't agreed the draw, but ultimately they'd played a good game - apart fron the mistake of attacking Turkey instead of me - so deserved the chance to share in the draw.
Thanks all for an unusual but interesting game.
31 Jul 20 UTC Yeah it definitely turned out badly choosing turkey over Germany. I was balancing incentives; Germany and I can work together for a long time after I'm in Edinburgh by basically leaving each other alone. Whereas turkey was about to hit a wall made by France, so would have no choice but to stab me. And apparently having a good defense, like you did germany, also translates into a good reversed offense.

For what it's worth Germany, I thought you and I were the power alliance up until you stabbed me.
31 Jul 20 UTC Bla-bla-bla, Germany.
31 Jul 20 UTC France was who suggest the tripple alliance and me to go for Bel and Nor in the opening, in order three of us to have 2 builds. You was the one, who did't let it to happen, wanting to take 3 builds and to go directly for me instead of Russia, cause you was afraid to be in conflict with Russia.
31 Jul 20 UTC Don't tell us lies - everyone saw the moves.
31 Jul 20 UTC It really is something when England decides they deserve as many builds in year 1 as both france and germany who have 2 free neutrals net to them. If england doesnt do a very specific and not very strong opening (NWG, NOR, army York), they cant even guarantee 1 build.
31 Jul 20 UTC That was not my desire, it was France's proposal.
31 Jul 20 UTC My game was over in turn 2 when Austria decided to quit our plan ...
31 Jul 20 UTC Why did you draw now? Wasn't the german / french alliance fighting Russia with Turkey being neutral?
01 Aug 20 UTC I agree that they probably could have eliminated me, although there's no guarantee Germany doesn't solo off it.
01 Aug 20 UTC I had given Russia an out. Personally, while I enjoy the ultra long matches, it can get a bit boring if you're not backstabbing and going for the solo. Russia was kind of on the other side of the world.
01 Aug 20 UTC I should rephrase that first bit. I offered Russia an out, and wanted to stay true to my word. Ironically, I like to keep my word as much as possible in Diplomacy.
01 Aug 20 UTC There is nothing bad about keeping one's word!

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