Finished: 07 PM Fri 17 Jul 20 UTC
Wasting Away Again in Coronaville
1 day /phase
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by ben9990 (1345 D)
15 Jun 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Vive la France! Bonjour a tous
15 Jun 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Good luck all!
15 Jun 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Whoaaa this game started and I'm slammed with work. But will respond to your press as soon as I can. Good luck all!
15 Jun 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Yo yo yo, here we go. My ships have their sails up and ready to cruise the open ocean.
Capt Crash
17 Jun 20 UTC Autumn, 1901: And thus unto the world was born a Juggernaut, who would in time come to conquer all, for the good men of the earth were too concerned with their own gains.
17 Jun 20 UTC Autumn, 1901: A judgement is upon us! Quail, mortals, repent your sins!
07 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1906: voted unpause
07 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1906: I did as well
07 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1906: As have I
08 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1906: Moderator: (goldfinger0303): Unpaused. Apologies for the delay. If you are facing any issues please contact us at
10 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Im camping with no signal till tomorrow, apologies for lack of press.
14 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: So long cruel world!
14 Jul 20 UTC Autumn, 1908: Fairwell Austria! To heaven with thee!

I hit ready.
16 Jul 20 UTC Congrats Turkey, that was quick!
16 Jul 20 UTC Thanks for the game all!
16 Jul 20 UTC Well done, Turkey
16 Jul 20 UTC Helps to have Italy throw the game to you.
16 Jul 20 UTC Turkey and I began working together toward a Turkish solo back in Spring of 1905 when Austria took Trieste and France and I were deadlocked in the Mediterranean.

I realized at that point there wasn't much chance of me pulling something out of the game, I was mad at France, and I had found that Turkey played a smart tactical game and was fun to chat with. So I decided to try to help him solo.

At the time, all seven players were still on the board and a solo was far from a sure thing even with the two of us working together. I think we did a good job of disguising our cooperation, and crucially, we were able to convince England to stab France in Autumn 1907. If France and England had continued working together, I think they could have stopped us.

I had a few opportunities to try to turn against Turkey and force a draw, but I was having fun strategizing with him and didn't want to break my promise to help him.
16 Jul 20 UTC We-ellll....

I'm torn between genuine admiration that your joint strategising was so long-term, so well-organised, and so effective...

... and slight annoyance at your open admission that you decided to just randomly help someone solo. That ain't no way to play the game, surely? You should always try to work in the best interests of your country, or what's the point?

Congratulations on a good game well fought nonetheless...
16 Jul 20 UTC *shrugs*. I don't think my decision was "random" as I explained my reasons for it above.

As for the sportsmanship issue, I play this game to have a good time. I think my record demonstrates that I generally achieve good outcomes for myself. But this game presented a fairly unique situation in which the best way for me to stay engaged in it and have a good time was to work for someone else's interest because working for my own narrow interest would have led to a pretty swift defeat. It was only after my initial plans went completely sideways that I shifted strategies, after all.
16 Jul 20 UTC Well, first of all I did not stab France at Italy's beckoning. I took advantage of a tactical opportunity and paid a price for it. I was not able to keep Turkey out of Europe because of the anger I created with France.

To hear that one player actively tried to help another solo is disheartening. This game is based on playing to win, if there are off the board allies they should not be in the same game. Once a power begins to play for another player the rest of the game is compromised and strategic plans are pointless. It's a unfair advantage and honestly, it's immature to throw a game in spite of what was perceived as a unjustified stab. Get over it Italy and continue to play for yourself. Be like France was to me, angry but determined to harm me, which I understand.
16 Jul 20 UTC I dont think italy's initial decision to help me was irrational even when adopting the fend-for-yourself attitude you all are suggesting. Our friendship stabilized his position and created emergencies for his other rivals.

Its arguable that he should have stabbed me in 1907 or 1908 and tried to force a three way with England. Honestly, I sort of wondered if he might, and if you look carefully at my moves youll see that I was careful to guard against this possibility (support holding trieste, moving to greece in spring 1908 so as to be able to force ionian in case he tried to block it, etc).

I guess we will never know if I could have made it if Italy had stabbed. I would have given it a try of course.

It was a lot of fun strategizing with Italy and I really enjoyed the game. Thanks everyone for playing =].
17 Jul 20 UTC I didn't mean to cause a fuss - I was just surprised is all. Good game all.
17 Jul 20 UTC I suppose the main objection here, then, is that Italy has just announced to us all that since 1905 the game effectively has not been worth playing.

Sine these games take comparatively huge amounts of time and effort, that seems a little disrespectful from my point of view. But, y'know, I'm not trying to disparage Turkey's win by any means, he played very well.
17 Jul 20 UTC Everyone has had a chance to voice their opinions, and I don't want to keep this going indefinitely. The only thing I want to respond to is England's suggestion that Turkey and I were "off the board allies."

To be clear, that is not true. I don't know ben9990 in real life, and if we have ever been in the same game on this site before, I am not aware of it. I still have almost no personal information about him other than that he seems like a nice guy, and I'm guessing he is a native English speaker. Our alliance was developed in the course of this game based exclusively on communications on the site.

An off the board alliance would indeed violate the rules of the site and be unfair. But this was not an off the board alliance.
17 Jul 20 UTC France has a point - you play the game assuming that everyone is trying to at least reach a draw. For someone who is one of the strongest positions on the board to just hand the game over to the winner feels pretty disrespectful.
17 Jul 20 UTC I don't know. People play towards different goals all of the time. Some players always try to solo. Others to finish in the draw. Others play to remain true to their allies, or to extract vengeance against a player who wronged them.

When I formed the plan, I wanted to make sure France finished with zero points because I was mad at him. I liked Turkey and wanted to work with him. I was in a pretty desperate situation and I wanted to survive the game. I needed some sort of strategic goal to remain invested in the game, or else I would just check out. The only way for me to achieve all of these disparate goals was to promise to help Turkey solo. That guaranteed his cooperation and helped me survive longer than I would have otherwise. It let me get vengeance on France that I could not achieve on my own. Plus, it gave me a strategic puzzle to work at that kept me engaged in the game.

I suppose I am fine with other people finding my goals or my behavior illegitimate. But to quote the Dude, "That's just, like, your opinion, man."
17 Jul 20 UTC Last press from me. I want Italy to know that I didn't think he and Turkey had an off the board relationship. I was just using it as an example of what isn't allowed in this game. I feel his decision to simply work for and insure Turkey's win is in the same class as an off the board relationship.

I really enjoyed playing this game. Turkey and France were particularly fun opponents. Good luck in future games. I'm Crash Casey and will remain that!

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ben9990 (1345 D)
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