Finished: 08 AM Mon 25 May 20 UTC
Say it to my face, you coward!
1 day /phase
Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1913, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
20 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: We could probably take Paris? Think we'd beat Turkey to Marseilles?
20 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Maybe better we just set the line again and go back to being defensive. With no other options France might stay still and with no-one to bully, maybe Turkey will finally draw?
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Hm. well what does france have to say i guess? Also, in the east, if you hold livonia with Stp and prussia with baltic, I think there is no way they can break through.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Russia, perhaps you can consider moving off the border?
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: England I'd move lvp to nao as well
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: I think france can guarantee not losing any centers this year by Mars move to Bur, Paris and Brest both move to Pic, and MAO moving to EC. Since France might figure it out anyways, I'm just gonna put it out there. France you can check it yourself
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Eng, you can still ping brest and paris to keep france honest, but france if you put those moves in there is no chance you can lose a center. There might be other movesets, but I think that is the one that is most deterministic.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: @eng those moves also are neutral towards us, so I am okay with them. what do you think france/eng?
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: England you can either support yourself into brest or i'll support you into paris, but @france if you follow those moves no centers will be taken.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Didn't bother to move Liverpool since I figured that would be my Disband once Russia has Moscow back
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Like I said I'm fine shifting back to defending
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Oh if you move to NAO then you can disband Irish and EC and Irish could bounce forming a sea wall.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: *EC and NAO
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: @Germany As I've said already, I'm only moving off the border if England actually chooses to go on the offensive against France
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: yes, you have nothing to lose to do it for a couple of turns to see how it develops.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: as I said, this turn there is a deterministic moveset for france.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: @Germany Speaking of deterministic moves, have you considered Ber>Sil, Pru S Ber>Sil?
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Hrmph. It was a mistake from France to move Irish Sea to Mid-Atlantic Ocean. He should have moved Western Mediterranean to Mid-Atlantic Ocean instead. Now France no longer has a unit behind English lines, and England and Germany are impossible to eliminate if they work together, which they will.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: well seems like france will do just fine?
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: @Turkey I admit that I have some responsibility for mucking things up in the east. Sorry about that. However, that is why I think the way to salvaging the situation is to work with Germany
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: That seems to be the best solution, yes.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: wowza. @russia, i'd still be worried about turkey soloing. @turkey, if you want to drop the draw by 1, I'd think you'd have to convince me how you can't sneak a solo, then i'd be happy to cooperate.
21 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: @Germany I believe that part of this depends on England disbanding either Liv or Baltic Sea, and us setting up a DMZ (for real this time) in Prussia/Sil. That would free up a unit for you to apply westward and free me to set up some sort of negotiated stalemate with Turkey's surplus units in the south. You know that you can maintain the western line at Berlin, and I'd be happy to hand over Warsaw and Moscow in the case of a Turkish stab.
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Nooooo!!
@Turkey the loss of Pie has me sunk to a new low.
I hope my wife’s cherry blueberry pie that she made today will help sweeten my mood :)
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: @italy is this a euphemism
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: I feel bad about pie too
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Ah yeah, I think we can disband Baltic Sea. What does eng and turkey say?
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: No it’s no euphemism, married for double digit years so pie simply means pie. :)
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: When I get stabbed in a game, the stabber will typically tell me it's my own fault. I never like that response so I hesitate to give it here; but it is true that I wanted to work with France, but that I didn't see any possibility anymore in which Germany and England could be eliminated, and this would have been different if France had played differently.

If, by the way, France hadn't retreated his forces (like the situation in Spring, 1911) I would have simply disbanded his fleet in Rome, and would have been able to push him back too.

@Germany I will support Burgundy to Marseilles. England was writing about 'beating me to Marseilles' - yes, I agree, you should beat me to Marseilles. It's yours.

@England Glad to see more war rhetoric from your side. ;)

@Italy Glad to see you are still following the game. :P
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: I don't follow why Turkey does not take Mar... It could be yours :)

I know the situation i am in is mostly my fault because i did not join Turkey soin enough and was hesitating... However i still believe that England is more at fault. When he had Sweden and I Bel we could have killed Germany and be over with it
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: The thing about this game is that it isn't all about tactics because not everyone will play tactically perfect all the time. You have to be able to read the players and the mood and understand who you can sway and who you have to push against whom
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: I'm still for a 5 man draw if you can hold off Turkey, @France
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: With Burgundy, Pic and Eng occupied i can't do this. My only leverage is to hold you and let Turkey take my centers. Until you move back i'll play for Turkey, then we can just hold him if you leave
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Well Germany, looks like we gotta have faith in Turkey and take Marseilles. Gonna hit MAO from EC with double support and cut Brest support with Pic so you can follow up behind me into EC from North Sea
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: So that we can take Brest in the Autumn
22 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: @Turkey I would like to build an army in Sev. Is that okay with you? I'm fine with you building a garrison army in Ankara to counter.
23 May 20 UTC Autumn, 1912: Sure!
23 May 20 UTC Okay. Well @turkey, what do you think. I could go to Mars but could you stay out of Tyr for now?
24 May 20 UTC Sure.
24 May 20 UTC @Turkey I'm planning to hold fast this turn. Let me know if you'd prefer something else.
@Germany I don't anticipate this happening, but just to be clear: in the event Turkey does stab me at some point, I will be expecting your backup to prevent a potential solo.
24 May 20 UTC GameMaster: Game was extended due to at least 1 member failing to enter orders and having an excused missed turn available. This has un-readied all orders.
24 May 20 UTC I would have loved to play on, but I thought that another replacement may suck the fun out of the game, so I decided to draw. GG everyone!
24 May 20 UTC Thanks all ! I thought i might not survive haha
24 May 20 UTC I really should not have hesitated in 1910/1911...
24 May 20 UTC GG! @Turkey, you were one of the best allies I've had. Perhaps better than I deserved, given all the fumbles I had in the late stages.
@France, I really was all in with the triple alliance, but you kept fiddling every time I stuck my neck out for you. You even had an opportunity in spring 1909 where Turkey and I telegraphed a guaranteed entry into Munich. I thought for sure that you would've taken that as an indicator of our sincerity :/
@Germany It was really fun sparring with you. Mad respect for out-maneuvering us quite a few times at the end there, even with an unreliable England. Though I have to confess I intentionally sabotaged spring 1911 (switching from Sil>Ber) because of France's unreliability.
24 May 20 UTC Wow good game everyone. What happened to England? So sad. England was a good ally, it was just hard to understand what he wanted at first.

@Russia, I really appreciated playing with you, would have been nice to work together.

@England, you were great!
24 May 20 UTC @france, public press is very hard, I thought @turkey was supremely good at it
24 May 20 UTC Well done all. I kept up with this game due to its lovely atmosphere.
Great sportsmanship all around.
I thought England was going to flop and be part of the three way draw.
Russia as always loved and agreed with your statements
Turkey you did so well moving around and always being set up in positions of strength at your borders
France you were in tough with which alliance to pick. I thought you were going to be next out trying to defend against both and not just picking one To trust.
@germany I appreciate you. You handled yourself very well with the early pressure from Russia.

Fun game good luck in all your other games.
24 May 20 UTC Italy is right, very enjoyable game
24 May 20 UTC Agreed, fun game. I really liked how public press forced me to really drill into the nuance of everyone's messages. I'm honestly amazed at @Turkey's facility here.
I wish we could've worked together too @Germany. At the end there I was really working to set you up for the GTR 3-way ;)
And same for you @Italy. Like I griped in-game, I felt you got shafted so hard by imperfect play from Austria and original France :(

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