Finished: 07 PM Fri 10 Apr 20 UTC
Private The Masters 2020 R4G5
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
3 excused missed turn
Game drawn
20 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Moderator: (bo_sox48): Pausing this game briefly to fix a country assignment. We’ll hopefully be able to unpause within a few hours.
21 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Tournament Director: (goldfinger0303): Good luck everyone!
21 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1901: Tournament Director: (goldfinger0303): Also, I appreciate the enthusiasm in joining quickly. Just kindly give me time to leave next round :)
27 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1902: That was some play from France there. Interesting...
01 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: Thank you, Britain for your kind reminder that this game is over for me.
02 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: So. Just to be crystal clear about what is happening in the East, here is the latest sample of the drivel coming from the Bear:

and I quote:

"You really are a malodorous little shit, aren't you? It matters not. I've worked with idiots and arseholes before, and whilst you would be something of a low point I'm not ruling out the prospect.

So if you have a proposal do go on and suggest it, and try and make it vaguely attractive. If not, off you fuck :)."

So to those who asked if I could work with Russia to contain Austria, there is your answer.

And this is supposed to be a Masters Tournament.

You really have been draining the swamp of the dregs haven't you Goldie?
02 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: I take it you don't have an attractive proposal then?
02 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: You can't argue with stupid.
02 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: Could I ask who dare to suggest you need to contain a peaceful and innocent Austria?
02 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: You could ask but I can't tell.
07 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1903: Game Director: (goldfinger0303): Hi everyone. Short pause here. I shall unpause tomorrow.
13 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1904: That was it for me folks! Good luck to the rest for you.
14 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1904: I haven't been able to talk much over the past day or two because of coronavirus-related preparations at work and home.
14 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1904: Italy, do you need a pause? Just ask, here or for the Mods.
14 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'll be fine now. Might anyone else need a pause?
30 Mar 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Well, I guess I died. Good? game everyone.
01 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: Certainly been an interesting one! Good luck with your other games :)
01 Apr 20 UTC Autumn, 1907: GG Germany, I am joining you soon.
06 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1909: Draw votes?

07 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1909: And one from Italy? Intrestinger. I can understand Russia's.
07 Apr 20 UTC Spring, 1909: My score can only remain constant or go down from where it is now.
09 Apr 20 UTC Well I fucked that up, didn't I?
09 Apr 20 UTC Just a bit.
09 Apr 20 UTC Yep. I entered provisional orders and then forgot to come back and finalise what I was going to do about the Portugal/Spain/Marseilles situation.

I would draw now if you like.
09 Apr 20 UTC Happens to the best of us :).

Great game all, but the draw sounds like a good option at this point. Congrats to Italy for top boarding!
09 Apr 20 UTC Hmm is there a stalemate line set?
10 Apr 20 UTC GG
10 Apr 20 UTC Turkey was Wusti :D

You're almost as amusing in games as you are on the forum :p.

Nicely done, random numbers and letters chap. Well played, Jamie. Very fun game :)
10 Apr 20 UTC Well, with such great players in this game, no wonder I was torn apart by 1903!
10 Apr 20 UTC If I hadn't flunked my orders at a crucial moment it could have been different, but there we go.

GG everyone.
10 Apr 20 UTC Yeah that last phase... I was surprised, not gonna lie.

Love you too Octavious - is this the first time we've played each other?
10 Apr 20 UTC GG everyone.
Jamiet, I can say exactly the same thing about flunking orders. Italy is a really lucky guy.
10 Apr 20 UTC I think so... which considering we've both been here for around a decade is quite an achievement.
11 Apr 20 UTC Heh, no wonder I died so bad. These are quite some players. Also probably didn't handle my midgame particularly well, but there we go. Not entirely sure how to go on after an E/G as Germany, because you can find yourself quite exposed to England.
11 Apr 20 UTC Very lucky for me indeed. Faced with insurmountable pressure, France opted to collapse in a way that benefited me and then I was the beneficiary of two misorders. Never really had a shot at a solo, though, because I was too timid to commit against either England or Turkey. Russia probably would have known better than to gnaw at the flank of whichever target I may have chosen, anyway.

One interesting dynamic here was how badly the Turkish opening to Armenia hurt France of all people. Without it, I would never have had the guts to send 100% of my early forces West, trying to persuade E/G to join the party.
11 Apr 20 UTC The hilarious thing about that was that it was purely a feint to make Italy and Austria feel comfortable enough to look elsewhere. The Octavious mad raged at me and at that point the game was screwed for me.

I never really understood why you reacted so badly to it, in all honesty. I've seen that play many times before pivot into a Juggernaut. Wasn't to be this time though.
11 Apr 20 UTC You genuinely don't understand? Lol!

You asked me for permission to move to Armenia and I said no, and you did it anyway. Then instead of trying to build bridges you insulted me. I then suggested how you might undo the damage and you instead refused and insisted you were taking the Black Sea.

Whenever you see Turkey to Armenia turn into a juggernaut it coincides with a significant rapport and degree of trust built up between Turkey and Russia in the early back and forth. You don't see it when one of the players tries to lie and strong arm their way into a superior position :p.

What I didn't fully understand was why Austria didn't take the opportunity to invade you when he had the chance. Supporting you into Sev just seemed to cement his position between a rock and a hard place.
11 Apr 20 UTC Well I just took your responses to be hate fuelled anger, so was never going to give up Black Sea in that situation.
I was actually trying to signal to you that my opening was not aggressive and you made it a massive issue. I tried to go back and see where I insulted you, but it chopped off the early press.
Anyhow, done and dusted, and things for us both to learn from this experience.
11 Apr 20 UTC Chopped off the early press? How long have you been a member of this site?!? :p

(To: Turkey, from you) - Spring, 1901: Mornin', neighbour.

I think most of us have been caught out by the start time of this one. Half a day gone and I only have one message!

Still, once more unto the breach! Any thoughts for this one?

(To: You, from Turkey) - Spring, 1901: Top o the mornin to you! Sorry about lack of press - but you're right - timing caught me off guard travelling for work - but home now.

Austria trying to sound friendly (as you would expect), Italy being odd and unpredictable about what he intends to do, and now you. What are your thinking? Standard Juggernaut, Northern opening, hitting me (sad face)?

Austria and Italy wanting me to open Arm/BlaS/Bul, but I'm not convinced and won't do that without reference to you.

So how shall we deal with our neighbors?

(To: Turkey, from you) - Spring, 1901: Usual stuff, go forth and destroy. I'll open south and hit Austria full on. We kill him, then jug on.

Do you suspect that the juggernaut has become so obvious know that no one will suspect it? Probably not :p. But I've not seen one in the tournament yet.

(To: You, from Turkey) - Spring, 1901: Me neither. I always need to worry about a Lepanto though, so do you have a problem if I open Smy - Arm to make them think I'm on side then convoy it across to Bul next year?

(To: Turkey, from you) - Spring, 1901: The short answer is yes :p. The trouble with the "make it look like I'm onside" options is that the temptation always becomes to follow through. Feel free to allow Sev into the Black and shout betrayal, though. That should achieve the same impact in terms of making it look like we're at war.

(To: You, from Turkey) - Spring, 1901: Hahaha touche

***** At this point the phase changes and you have moved to Armenia regardless****

(To: Turkey, from you) - Autumn, 1901: Ah well, at least it keeps things simple for me

(To: You, from Turkey) - Autumn, 1901: How so? It’s not like I wasn’t honest with you.

(To: Turkey, from you) - Autumn, 1901: Indeed so, and in the spirit of honesty I confirmed to you that I'd have a problem with it. And so here we are, with the problem you have supplied.

(To: You, from Turkey) - Autumn, 1901: Well you can deal with it positively or sulk - up to you

(To: Turkey, from you) - Autumn, 1901: Lol! Bless your little cotton socks :p.

(To: You, from Turkey) - Autumn, 1901: Seriously though - pouting is unbecoming a Diplo player :p. This opening is one of the standard variants and is not necessarily an anti-Russian one. It is what we make of it.

Open to working with you as the threat of Lepanto remains.

(To: Turkey, from you) - Autumn, 1901: Delighted to hear it. Very well, Bulgaria goes to Greece, Ankara goes to Con, and Armenia goes to Ankara. Then we have peace :).

(To: You, from Turkey) - Autumn, 1901: I'm not giving up BlaS sorry bud - that's a bridge too far.

(To: Turkey, from you) - Autumn, 1901: Ah... Then our problem persists
11 Apr 20 UTC So where did I insult you in all of that?
11 Apr 20 UTC Well you could argue that accusing me of sulking and pouting is an insult, but those were just the opening messages where you utterly failed to establish trust, rapport, or any confidence at all that you could be a decent ally.

You later went on to call me "clueless to the end" and a "dead man walking", before going on to say "let's not waste each others time eh, and just have at it"

After which I gave up on you completely and called you a malodorous little shite ;)

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