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Finished: 09 PM Thu 27 Feb 20 UTC
Those are Rookie Numbers
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 119 D - Autumn, 1906, Finished
Classic, Rulebook press, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring, Hidden draw votes
3 excused missed turn
Game drawn
10 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1902: GameMaster: WarMachine123 was banned: repeat multi. The time until the next phase has been extended by one phase length to give an opportunity to replace the player.
Remember to finalize your orders if you don't want to wait, so the game isn't held up unnecessarily!
16 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well played Turkey !
16 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1904: xD
18 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: Germany has fallen. Only England can solo now. May I suggest we draw this game or shall we continue fighting?
18 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: Funny, england was telling me that only you can solo now. ;)
18 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: Germany has not fallen, just a tactical retreat
18 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: I must object.
An English solo win cannot be achieved without taking all of the French centers and the remaining German ones.
In this position, if England would ever attack France, it would take years to make significant gains while the Austrian power would waltz in from behind to get a couple of sc's easily.

The idea you are trying to sell is ridiculous.
Austria can be on cca 14 centers within a couple of years.
Turkey is a kamikaze with absolutely no defense - 3 centers
Italy is completely misguided and open - 3 centers
Russia keeps the German centers still, but with a couple of extra armies, Austria can create a battery in Tyrolia Bohemia Galicia Silesia without any effort.

I am stunned to see such statements in public chat.
What is the idea behind it?
Scare France into retreat so you can take Tunis?
Initiate a fight between England and France to gain access into German centers?

This whole game is like an acid trip at this point. Just take a look at last year and the moves Turkey and Italy made. There is not a clue of self-preservation in their strategy.
And now, after this debacle of a year, you are offering a 6 way draw??
Something smells funny here.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: This game is truly nuts.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: Thank you for the analysis, England!
If it were a gunboat, you would be right.
As it is sum-of-squares scoring, 6 way draw is my offer this turn.
And I don't think France nor Italy need external advice to be cautious.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: I have voted for a draw couple of hours ago as I have no ambitions to solo.

My brutish analysis was a response to being singled out as the main threat with no reason for it.

If both Austria and me have in fact voted for a draw, I don't see why other powers would care to prolong this game.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: Why not? This game is a cluster. Let's see what happens. I mean, what do we have to lose? I don't expect to win. I have nobody to trust, and I don't think anyone can trust anyone in this game. That is what makes it so interesting. I think we should continue.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: My prediction is that Austria and England team up and kick the crap out of the rest of us.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: Although, I think this is a very bad idea. I don't know if England has lied to anyone, but Austria has demonstrated she is not very trustworty.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: I suggest, Russia, Italy, Turkey and France team up and kill Austria. And England, just sit still for a bit, and when our armies are in the East, then you come and clean up.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: I've been more than happy to be done since Autumn of '02, to the degree that I've been too stressed to open my messages for 12 hours, if a 6-way draw is on the table, I'm in
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: In all honesty, this game hasn't been very enjoyable and I'm eager to see it end.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: If Russia and Italy agree to the draw, I see no reason for me to oppose it. Until then, I play on
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: I voted draw but someone has not yet.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: As the game is not drawn. So let's see what happens
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: France, Italy and Russia are in. What about you?
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: I voted for it.
19 Feb 20 UTC Spring, 1905: So did I. France?
20 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: My vote is cast
20 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Ok. This is a game of nasty untrustworthy players. Even England who is reliably nasty is untrustworthy.
20 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: Why Russia, have I lied about the moves in private press?
I haven't done so.
20 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: I thought so just now.
21 Feb 20 UTC Autumn, 1905: What a nasty world. Nobody can trust anyone. Woe to all of us. A pit of dogs fighting until we all die
27 Feb 20 UTC Glad it's finally over.
27 Feb 20 UTC Oh my God, it's finally over
27 Feb 20 UTC GG everyone. Had lots of good press. And sorry, Turkey, for the stab, wanted to try a solo.
27 Feb 20 UTC Well you made a decent profit from it
27 Feb 20 UTC I'd say Russia's the one who suffered the most from it
27 Feb 20 UTC This was the worst game I have ever played. You guys! I lost badly, that is fine.

But really, if you want to stab, Austria, you should have waited until we had pacified the west. And then when we really trust you, you stab. But you didn't wait, and we ended up with a 6 way tie.

And you, Turkey, we had a simple solution to Austria's stab, which was to kill him. We could have worked with Italy to do this. But instead you went for the easy SCs.

Guys, you cannot win in this game stabbing your allies this early. Stab, sure, be my guest, but first, achieve our objectives. Destroy the West, then stab away.

I have never seen a game where nobody's word was good.

I know France will retort that I was no better. France was mad at me for taking his Munich. I am ok with that. That was done when we had a plan to destroy the west. France, you were the enemy of my triple, as was Germany and England and Italy.

The new England played strongest. And he was reliably nasty to me. The only reliable player (besides Italy).
27 Feb 20 UTC What a disaster of a game
27 Feb 20 UTC I was stunned by this game as well. When I joined the board seemed somewhat normal but then all of a sudden harakiri moves started, and we ended up with a completely crazy turkish position.
I didn't know whether to think Turkey is clueless or a genius of some sorts (well I did but ok...), until everything was confirmed with his last move.
Italy also made interesting choices.
Turkey I dont understand why you havent listened to any of my tactical advice since I can only benefit from seeing you doing well and I have no reason to give you bad moves.
This move to St.Pet is the pinnacle of all madness. But fine at least this is over now.

I wonder why everyone was so hellbent on killing France, I have read the press between France and old England, he didnt strike me as a dick, I've played against much worse personalities.
27 Feb 20 UTC France was never a dick. I didn't understand why the old England thought that either. I didn't understand why he was so hellbent on retrieving Munich though

You know, sometimes another player will only take one SC from you, and no more. That does happen. If someone takes one, it does not mean they intend on taking all the rest, but France seemed to think I was after him.
27 Feb 20 UTC Maybe sum-of-squares does that to people.
I'm not going to judge France on that although I'm inclined to agree with the Bear.
Certainly I haven't got the impression that France is so unbearable, and that was the vibe I was getting from the southern trio.
27 Feb 20 UTC France was fine. You, on the other hand! Never friendly to your friendly neighbor.
27 Feb 20 UTC Indeed I never was :/
Maybe I will rectify that in another game.

It is not an easy task choosing a side as England, I think I made the right choice strategically if we look at the board from gunboat perspective.
I'd do the same if you were playing France and vice versa, since I wasn't in the game from the start and had no loyalties as new England.
27 Feb 20 UTC I muted france at some point in 1903 and never unmuted him because I found his press so intolerable. between the smug self-satisfaction and the condescension in his messages to me, just reading his press was enough to throw off my tactical analyses in favor of kamikazi-ing after him.
27 Feb 20 UTC I am very interested in that press I must say.
Haven't seen anything like that in franco british convo.
28 Feb 20 UTC Considering the outcome of Italy, I had reason to believe my position was worth the smugness. That said, Turkey played like a madman, and I was completely honest to all except those who turned on me.
28 Feb 20 UTC This was not my most... orthodox game
28 Feb 20 UTC The fact that Austria was in your land, I'd offered to help, and you'd still chosen to keep Marseilles despite it only being able to keep its own army alive was maddening.
28 Feb 20 UTC Alas, Italy proved his position was strong enough to keep french home center under occupation.
28 Feb 20 UTC anger will do that to a person.
28 Feb 20 UTC and for the record, smugness will make me attack you regardless of how good of an idea it might be.
28 Feb 20 UTC Agreed, this is a very personal game.
Keep your friends close, and your enemies closer! :P
28 Feb 20 UTC strange game
28 Feb 20 UTC I think the best revenge is sudden and deliberate. Not right after you get ticked.

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