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Finished: 08 AM Thu 22 Apr 10 UTC
cats > dogs
1 day /phase
Pot: 404 D - Autumn, 1902, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: To Austria and Italy. Since Russia is gone, if you two start fighting each other, Turkey will benefit from claiming Russia uncontested. Without an enemy from his north, his next aim will be toward west.

If I were you guys, I would execute the classical Lepanto against Turkey.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Actually, it may be already too late. In the Fall, Turkey will have no trouble kicking Austria off Rumania. Then next year, he will claim Sevastopol.

I really suggest Austria and Italy should gang up ASAP.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: To Germany and France, I don't want to stand between you two at Belgium. Which one of you wants it? I just want to go for Norway and Sweden.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Russia confuses me. He joins, hits a cancel order, then never shows up again. Why not input a pause order?
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: I have no interest in attacking Austria, I only desire to control the Mediterranean and Eastern Russia. I believe that Warsaw should be Austrian, as should Venice, Serbia, Rumania and Rome.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: England is merely attempting to seek an open path into Russia for himself and his word can't be trusted.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Rome is simply trying to recover it's old borders of 134 CE. After that, we'll be happy.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Anyone who has played this game more than a few times knows how intense the resource is required of England to take St. Petersburg---not to mention his over-stretch would expose his homeland to France and Germany.

However, Austria to Turkey is only next door away. Dear Austria, it's either going to be both you and Italy against Turkey, or both Italy and Turkey against you. You choose.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Austria, why would I fight you, you protect me from a rush from Germany and Italy while I can control the seas.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: @Italy: Don't move to Munich. You might claim it, but I won't allow it. You will be bounced.

@France: Ruhr moves to Munich, don't be afraid as I said. Belgium is yours
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: @Austria: Thank you for not moving against me. Italy probably will, though. You might want to concider bouncing him. It is a 50% though, with 2 units
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: @England - first you say you want Bel, now you say you want Nwy and Swe and not Bel, but then you open to the Channel anyway. With Russia inactive, St P is not a stretch for you...I can only assume you do in fact plan to move on Brest.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: @France. To take St. Petersburg, I need two units---one at Norway and the other either at Barents Sea or Finland. Either of those takes more than a year to reach, and requires nearly half of my 4 or 5 units. If I upset my neighbors, I will be dead before I could reach St. Petersburg. That is why I would rather give you Belgium.

Also, it is suicide to lie in a public-messaging game.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: @France, it probably does not matter anyway. You could use Pic. to cover Brest and keep MAO to take Portugal anyway. Germany has already said he won't claim Belgium. You have nothing to lose rather or not you trust me this turn.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: OK, well when Russia CDs, I'll support a quick draw and a new game if everyone else is up for it. A CD off that bat is just terrible.
16 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: I will support the draw too.
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: I agree to a draw, and I suggest that if some people don't vote that we should gang up on them and then draw without them.
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Deal.
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Wait, Russia came back?!
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Russia only logs in to cancel. That's almost reportable behavior
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: As Turkey said, let's remove Russia.
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: France, keep the English Channel empty next year?
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: I'd prefer to remove Russia then draw. but y'know, as you like
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Let's see what Russia does. I'd rather we let him CD before drawing, just as a punishment for CDing.
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Germany, how do you want to deal with Sweden?
17 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: I think we should hold an international conference on Sweden to determine its future. Italy is frankly shocked at how peaceful, neutral nations have been invaded.
18 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Germany, would you like assistance into Belgium in exchange of letting me into Sweden?
18 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: I congratulate Italy on his advance into Austria, but urge him to refrain from moving to Greece so as not to cause mistrust between us. I am content with Italy holding TriVie-Bud, but going any farther east will be a cause for war.
18 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: @England: I will support your entering in Sweden as a sign of good faith. I am not interested in fighting France at the moment, I would like to concentrate on getting Russian lands.
@France: Would you like to keep armies in Belgium and Holland as defense, and head on another way? I have Italy and Austria to worry, you have Italy and England
18 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: To Germany, agreed.

To France, I approached Germany only after you ignored my question regarding English Channel. If I could, I don't want to fight you either.
18 Apr 10 UTC Autumn, 1901: Turkey, what else are you offering for Greece? I need tangible benefits to persuade the voters to agree. Do you have any idea how often my government collapses?
18 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: How about Serbia and Rumania for you, I get Greece, and we have an alliance afterwards? After all, you have all Russia to expand into. I don't.
18 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: Agreed.
18 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: Perfect.
19 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: @Germany, agreed. Army Marseilles was a misorder by the way, in case you're wondering.
@England, well, this isn't the first time you've agreed to keep the Channel free...
19 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: Awesome. If Austria CDs this turn, 5-way draw.
19 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: To Germany, we have both a precarious situation between us as well as a great opportunity between us. How do you see our relationship develop this turn?
19 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: Damnit Russia, what the hell is wrong with you?
19 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: Oh sorry, new Russia. Nevermind.
20 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: @England, you're right. I think despite our mutual brinkmanship we have more to gain from working together with our complementary forces
20 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: To Germany, do you intent to let me keep Sweden?
20 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: To France, what are you proposing?
20 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: To World, does anyone know an admin's email address?
20 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: @England: I do not challenge Sweden. Would you let me get StP or is it in your immediate plans? I would like to use in in order to get some more armies, I made a mistake making a ship
20 Apr 10 UTC Spring, 1902: England - webdipmod@gmail.com should get you an answer. It should be clear to you that I'm in no position to assault your shores with my paltry navy, but nonetheless will be able to put up a decent resistance should you continue your aggression due to my concentrated forces. I'm sure we'll both prosper more by turning our attentions elsewhere
20 Apr 10 UTC Well that was an easy profit. Wonder what was up with Russia and Austria.
20 Apr 10 UTC Wow, Russia got points without even making a single move.
20 Apr 10 UTC Just curious... France, who is to be your next target?

Germany, have you always be planning to ally with France against me? It just felt that way.

To Italy and Turkey, I was looking forward to see how an Italian-Turkish alliance would turn out.
20 Apr 10 UTC @England - I was initally planning to move on you, but then missing the fleet meant I had no choice but to turn on Germany, plus he was spreading his armies out all over the place. Shame we only got to play a couple of turns, I haven't played public press only before, as you could no doubt tell, and I found it interesting. Will try again, it's much more like gunboat than I thought.
21 Apr 10 UTC To France, thanks for that feedback. I don't find pub-press-only games like gunboat though. Pub-press-only games are like a wide open debate: Player A tries to convince B to stab C; then C rebuts otherwise. In that sense, it requires even more diplomacy.

I thought I could take advantage of the precarious situation at Bel-Hol situation. I was going to offer my help to either you or Germany. I had two units pointing at Germany and two at you; so it did not matter much to me who would respond to me first. I was hoping to see at least one more year too.

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France
hopsyturvy (521 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 67 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Germany
Moonleaf (127 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 67 D
5 supply-centers, 5 units
England
g01df1ng3r (2821 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 67 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Italy
Stukus (2126 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 67 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Turkey
kreilly89 (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 50 D, won: 67 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Russia
arpan2708 (113 D)
Drawn. Bet: 54 D, won: 67 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Austria
mumumu (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 50 D
3 supply-centers, 2 units
Civil Disorders
mumumu (100 D)Austria (Spring, 1902) with 3 centres.
tsarminia (100 D)Russia (Spring, 1902) with 4 centres.
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