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Finished: 06 AM Sat 04 Jan 20 UTC
Private The Masters 2020 R1G2
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Spring, 1907, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
3 excused missed turn
Game drawn
12 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: All’s fair in love and Diplomacy. I think stabbing me has proven to have been the correct play for you. What Russia and Turkey gained from piling on is less clear.
13 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'm not sure I agree with that characterization of what happened. My play in the south has been erratic, I'll grant that. But I've mostly been defending the Turkish stab which is irrationally persisting.
17 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1905: Good game, England
19 Dec 19 UTC Spring, 1906: NOOOOOOO!!!
23 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Tournament Director: (goldfinger0303): Pausing for Christmas week. Will be unpausing the 29th. Enjoy your holiday everyone.
30 Dec 19 UTC Autumn, 1906: Tournament Director: (goldfinger0303): Unpaused. Sorry I was a day late. Got stuck traveling yesterday. Hopefully everyone enjoyed their break. Round 3 games will be starting in about a week!
03 Jan 20 UTC Hi all!
I wish You all happy new year.
I know I won too much in the last turn. I don't think I have real chance to reach solo, so I'm ready to draw. Would you accept it?
03 Jan 20 UTC Ill accept your draw proposal
03 Jan 20 UTC As will I
03 Jan 20 UTC Me too.
03 Jan 20 UTC WOOHOO almost username reveals, then i can finally see who was playing France and stabbed me and then i can will blame him for eternity
03 Jan 20 UTC It was nothing personal England. Its the nature of the game
03 Jan 20 UTC I know, i was just joking
04 Jan 20 UTC Gang bang on Russia as the only hold out?
04 Jan 20 UTC What was the rationale behind drawing? Great game all.
04 Jan 20 UTC Kissemo - a lesson here for you - never underestimate the ability of Diplomacy players to be illogical and pursue petty vendettas, and make poor decisions to their own demise.
Personally, I took the draw offered because its a ad less painful end than being put out of the game.
You made the call to draw way early Italy by my reckoning in a 1 or 0 game - you really had nothing to lose by pursuing the solo.

In short - I don't get it either MylesP14.
04 Jan 20 UTC I have no idea why he wanted to draw and he had a really good shot to winning it.
04 Jan 20 UTC Tournament Director: (goldfinger0303): Holy crap I was watching this one expecting the Italian solo...bewildering.

By my reckoning, there was absolutely nothing Russia or France could do to have stopped you from gaining everything through Sev and Marseilles. Germany wasn't gonna budge form his line, so Vienna was safe. And you had busted open MAO...that's as good a shot as any.
04 Jan 20 UTC Yeah I agree. I have no idea what he was thinking
04 Jan 20 UTC I would've with shows of faith from Russia and France - but they both made dazzlingly strange decisions.
04 Jan 20 UTC Which decisions, specifically? Id like to learn from my mistakes as I was sure I'd caused Italy's solo.
04 Jan 20 UTC Other than constantly ruining Germany's day, of course :)
04 Jan 20 UTC When Germany helped Italy take Mar he created the solo opportunity. I can’t say I blame him but that’s just a fact
04 Jan 20 UTC Hi!
First of all thanks a lot for you the game! I enjoyed it a lot.
I'm really happy with my result, I thought I have no chance from the Italian position, maybe that's why I preferred to take less risk at this point. To tell the truth this was the first Classic played I ever started online (however there were some into I joined). I made some analysis in forward, and that was shocking that from the top 20 classic game with solo there was only 1 where Italy could win. So, I'm really happy with some point for the tiebreaker. I would happily discuss the game, sorry I could write only now.
04 Jan 20 UTC (sorry it will be loooong :)
As I wrote I didn't feel I had clear chance for solo, but there were clear chances to lose my first position.
Draw offer:
Actually I didn't wanted to draw, I've just offered it. :) I was hoping Russia won't accept it, he had also a great position I think.
I was afraid that Russia and France could convince Germany to move against me. Yes, I clearly underestimate how illogical can be people. :) And I was almost sure you (@Germany) won't be illogical. If it would be a normal game, when for the small countries it is indifferent who won and how, then I would surely count for you, but in this tournament it is a great difference: everybody should fight against the leader to avoid any solo, because it decrease our chance in the tournament level.
So, I thought if I offer a draw and Russia don't accept it, Germany and Turkey will be more open to not fight against me.

My western front:
It was clear for me I couldn't keep MAO, I planed to retreat into Irish Sea, But I didn't really had chance to gain there new territory or take back MAO with it. Against 3 French fleet in EC, MAO, POR, I could have also only 3: IRI, WesMed, NA. For this turn I planned to take back Mar and bring here two new units VEN->PIE, NAP->TYR, but I didn't see how can I take back at least Spain without losing again MAR. And France could bring here also NTS and BEL.
Actually, I thought it is a good position, I couldn't really lose anything but also with some luck I can win more but only one territory maximum. But for this I would need 6 units from my 12, what was too much.
Middle front:
I didn't think that Vie is in safe. I thought there is a great chance that Germany will move against me. I was in contact with him, he seemed to be nice, but he was talking about my solo, so wasn't calm about Vie. And Russia could also try to move into Gal. If I could bring Ven into Tri or Tyr it would be better, but I felt I need Ven into Pie or France would retreat into Pie when I take back Mar.
It wouldn't be much better if Germany wouldn't join to Russia-France alliance, then Russia would quickly take Kiel and Ber from him with help of France and he could move with at least two new armies against me.
Eastern front:
I think this was in the worst situation even after my successful attack against Russia. If Turkey would join against me, then Rum was surely fall and I couldn't take anything instead of it. Yes, if Russia wouldn't support Smy or Turkey not help with a hit into Bul it would be chance to hold until Rome arrives here, but it wasn't the likely scenario.
Let's count with the optimistic scenario: Turkey don't help Russia. This way Russia still have two good step against me. move into Gal or try to take Rum. In every turn I would need luck to find out which he chose and if I fail he will won one territory and gain one new army into War and from Rum he would open way into Bud and/or Gal, so it would be likely that he gains an other territory. And if he win two territories from me and at least one from Germany he would be already ahead of me.
That was my thoughts which were leading into my draw-offer.
Do you see big mistakes in it?
04 Jan 20 UTC @France: about Mar. I didn't asked Germany to help me taking Mar. I tried to minimize my communication to him in that moment, because I was afraid he wouldn't help me, if I ask. So, he wasn't sure I will move there and he will help me, I think it was a clear defensive movement from him.
04 Jan 20 UTC @Your Humble Narrator: Thanks your funny comments :), I missed them after you were out of the game.
04 Jan 20 UTC I wish all of you good luck in the coming games, I wish you better positions than I was here. I even wish you solos, but I hope I can win as many as you can. :)
04 Jan 20 UTC Well I’m going to have to disagree with your assessment of the map but we will never know now. Thanks for drawing
04 Jan 20 UTC I thank you for wishing me solos, but i have never soloed a classic game :(
04 Jan 20 UTC It is the same with me (at least here in online). :) And who can imagine a better first time than in this Tournament. :) Don't give up, this was only one game we have 6 more.
04 Jan 20 UTC I think Italy played a wonderful game and it was good to be his ally for most of it. Here's how it unfolded from my perspective:

My initial idea was to develop a strong relationship with Germany while I dealt with Austria and Turkey. I had visions of a Juggernaut and long-term alliance with either Germany or Turkey, depending on if Turkey ever left the stab open. I asked Italy to open against Austria, which he did. I somewhat halfheartedly suggested he stab Germany with Tyrolia, which got back to Germany and caused a meltdown in our relationship. With Austria and Turkey at war and Italy mortally wounding Austria off the bat, I decided to build a fleet and work with England against Germany.

That was extremely dumb, because of course I lost Rumania to Turkey and ended up in a war of attrition with him for the rest of the game. I felt I had a very strong relationship with Italy and was fine helping him expand with confidence that he would help me shrink and destroy Turkey. I kept trying to make peace with Turkey, but he was having none of it and I saw Italy as my only hope. But every turn Italy would grow, and I was going nowhere fast.

I finally got Rumania and Bulgaria, then got scared I would get stabbed by Italy and self-bounced in Rumania in S07 instead of supporting Italy as promised. I came up with a lame excuse that only seemed to anger him more. From that point on, things broke down with Italy but I was too committed to our alliance to see it.

By the time I stopped lying to France and decided to join him, I thought it was too late. Then Italy decided for a draw.
05 Jan 20 UTC I never understood why you chose to meddle in the West the way you did - it made absolutely zero sense given it was an E/F from the get go (England wouldn't even send press to me at all, which I found bizarre in a Masters tournament, and France wasn't talking either). All you did was promote France - and I thought you would hand him the game in all honesty.
In contrast, Italy played well and was a pleasure to deal with. He saw the French threat and acted, at which point France launched a weird tirade at me saying it was all my fault we had all lost the match.

This was one of the most frustrating matches I have played in a very long time.

But Italy is right, no matter what the vagaries of the other players, I would not have handed him a win via suiciding into France or Russia, no matter how much they deserved it (especially you France with your pathetic vitriol at me when you gambit appeared to fail).
05 Jan 20 UTC I think Russia always needs to meddle a bit in the west, because it's crucial the English army doesnt move to Norway. That was my main goal.

I will admit (as I think I did in our private chat) that suggesting Italy attack you was a mistake. Nothing came of it though. Well played and good luck!
05 Jan 20 UTC Bro Germany dont be a sour puss because you played a bad game. Attacking Burgundy to give Italy Mar gave him the game. Its that simple. If you hadnt done that we most likely would have ended up with a draw anyway so it all worked out. Your strategy was shit and thats why you played backed into a corner all game
05 Jan 20 UTC The fact that both you and England refused to send me press and decided an E/F before I had said a word to anyone doesn't mean "I have a bad strategy", nor am I "little bitch" as you called me in press in game, for helping Italy to take Mar.
You're a spoilt brat who needs to grow the fuck up.
05 Jan 20 UTC We did have press but you’re just upset that I blocked you from BEL and you were never able to recover.

For transparency this is what he said to me.
‘The whole point of this kind of game is alliances swing to keep the top dog down. You are a deadset loser, if instead of seeking to turn Italy and I to your cause, to all gang up on Russia, you just cry like the baby you are.’

To which I replied by calling him a little bitch because you know he was kinda acting like one. I’ll be glad once this tournament is over and I never have to play with you again
05 Jan 20 UTC You really want to play selective quotes?
05 Jan 20 UTC This was in Spring 1906 before MAO was forced:
Spring, 1906: You just gave Italy the win. Prior to this turn we were going to be forced to draw and all of us would have been in the salt boat with 0 points. But now for reasons I don’t understand you decided to allow Italy a win and now he will position himself into ties for first place with anyone else that solo’d. Why would you do this
Spring, 1906: You wouldn't stop attacking me then whine about it? That's hilarious, also your assessment is wrong. I think you meant to say Russia.
Spring, 1906: Either way we lose and someone wins. My size and strength kept them both in check but with me now going to lose my centers you have crowned a champion
Spring, 1906: Hahaha - let's see now. Your idiot mate in England never even botherred to send press to me - you had already decided to put me out before I even said a ord and you complain about skill level in this game? What a joke. Look in the mirror. This is the worst quality game I've played in a while.

Instead of whining about it you should be seeking a truce - backing off and asking for co-operation. Instead your plan got wrecked so you blame me.

And this is a Masters game? Seriously.
Spring, 1906: Exactly. It’s a masters game. Either everyone gets 0 points or one person gets 1 point. And you just made it so someone will get 1 point. Your position was weak and you got attacked on all sides. But you still could have gotten out of this with the same situation as everyone else in the tournament
Spring, 1906: The whole point of this kind of game is alliances swing to keep the top dog down. You are a deadset loser, if instead of seeking to turn Italy and I to your cause, to all gang up on Russia, you just cry like the baby you are.

Grow the fuck up.
Spring, 1906: Oh but you misunderstand. I don’t want to work with you. Your strategy sucks. Look where you are. You talk big for a little bitch
05 Jan 20 UTC @Germany, i don't know what you are talking about, i was sending press to you, you was the one ignoring my press after you asked 'forgot the past and keep the frog in check'
05 Jan 20 UTC was pointing at Russia because Italy should never have been able to force MAO and could have easily been repulsed by France at that point. Russia was poised to take me out and clean sweep the East.
Instead old knuckleheaded France chose a different set of moves - check out the replay and see how he could've stopped Italy in his tracks.

Instead he comes crying and blaming me and my bad strategy. Fair dinkum.
05 Jan 20 UTC Italy you really should have attempted the solo. Germany is a giant baby and im pretty sure I never would have worked with him. Russia was going to support me into Kiel and to hear his complains would have been sweet music to my ears.
05 Jan 20 UTC and I said it to your face and now ill say it in public. You are a little bitch
05 Jan 20 UTC So if my strategy is bad why did you not block Italy from MAO as I advised you to do? Your play is as shitty as your character.
05 Jan 20 UTC Anyway as you can see Italy - you had every chance to solo because dumbo France can't get past his emotions.
05 Jan 20 UTC Germany, you are just lying to everyone since i DID talk to you, YOU just ignored me
05 Jan 20 UTC Dont pay any attention to him England. Ive seen similar behavior from my niece when she throws a temper tantrum. There's not getting through to him
05 Jan 20 UTC Good point
05 Jan 20 UTC England - I have our logs too - what do you think to gain with your lying?
05 Jan 20 UTC Hey guys, do not offend each other. I had so nornal and understanding communication with all of you, I don't really understand these harsh words. Let them gone, I think everybody can be happy with the results somehow, that counts. :)

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Italy
kissemo (4175 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
France
Locke- (1009 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Russia
MylesP14 (355 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
Germany
Wusti (1573 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Turkey
sideroxylon1 (1183 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 7 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
England
tobieee911 (102 D (S))
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Austria
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
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