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Finished: 07 PM Tue 08 Jan 19 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 105 D - Autumn, 1915, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Maximus c23 (1146 D)
07 Jan 19 UTC Congrats on a hard fought victory England and Italy. ( I messed up Trieste but it didn’t matter. )
07 Jan 19 UTC Good game! Thanks to England and Turkey both for using me as a pawn against the other. :)
07 Jan 19 UTC Had you not blocked me at every turn, you and I could have shared a draw with England.
07 Jan 19 UTC Good game all!
07 Jan 19 UTC I don't buy that at all, Turkey. You propped me up against France, but took Austria's SCs back from me at the first opportunity. From that point on, all of your moves towards me were aggressive while England was helping me to stay alive. This game was never going to be a draw. You and England were both going for the win.

Which of your moves did I misinterpret that suggested that you were willing to work together again? After you took Austria, I had no reason to trust you near any of my SCs. England gave me more reason to trust them than you did...
07 Jan 19 UTC That was a horrific stab to be honest, if I remember correctly that was 4 centres for Turkey that turn
07 Jan 19 UTC You should have trusted England more than me all the way until England threatened solo in the last few moves. That’s when you should have trusted me more. But you showed no sign of ever standing up to England (and it turns out that you preferred his guaranteed solo than a chance at a draw with me)
07 Jan 19 UTC Turkey, you didn't point to any specific moves that you made to indicate that you wanted to work together against England in the end.

The choice I was faced with was (1) help England win so I have a chance of surviving or (2) fight both England and Turkey and risk being defeated.

Again, England proved to be the better partner in the end by making it clear that he would keep me alive. You didn't.
07 Jan 19 UTC It was a really fun game though. Lots of stabs and switches in frontrunners. GG!
07 Jan 19 UTC Got it. You view survival as superior to elimination. To me, they are identical. I disagree with your mindset but it does explain your (in)actions.
07 Jan 19 UTC Turkey, you did an awful job if you wanted Italy to trust/work with you. The two of you were working together, and then you stabbed him pretty hard.
07 Jan 19 UTC The stab was delicious but threat of a solo should trump any previous animosity.
07 Jan 19 UTC So, you wanted him to sacrifice himself onto England, while you eliminated him, so that you and England could 17-17 draw? There was only one turn you looked as though you might not still be attacking him. Pretty awful playing.
07 Jan 19 UTC why do you overlook the fact that he voluntarily left Tunis so as to throw the SOLO to England? Had he not done so (and had I not screwed up Trieste...which he didn't know I was going to do), we could've had the 3 way draw. But he already admitted that he preferred British solo where he got the "survive" over the situation where he risked defeat. He need not have made the decision when he did. After all, he still had Rome and Naples.
07 Jan 19 UTC You don't have a 17 unit stalemate line. Ignoring Tyrolia (which went to Trieste)...you were completely out of position with your fleets, because you were still attacking Italy. You would have needed Tyrrhenian Sea to hold Tunis and Italy, and that is still iffy with all the buildup you would need behind it. You messed up. I don't agree with Italy's ending move, but expecting him to flip on a dime with no communication is just unrealistic.
07 Jan 19 UTC Yup, my fleets were not in position because I was bottlenecked. When Italy simply waited for English fleets to arrive, the only way I saw to avoid defeat was to treat Italy as a hostile power. And so I seem caught...not to attack Italy meant waiting for the British to come...but attacking Italy only strengthened his resolve to hand the game to the British. Strategically, what would you have done?

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Maximus c23 (1146 D)
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