Finished: 11 AM Sun 25 Feb 18 UTC
Hey Look, It's a Classic game-39
1 day /phase
Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1912, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: You are being played @Russia.
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: (And not by me! France and Austria are looking to finish you, as you sit doing support-holds and retreats from the Channel.)
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: I do not think there is a world where France wins the game. He can be included in a draw, but if it’s a solo victory it will be either Russia or Austria.
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: Yeah, I neither can nor want to win solo. I did not know the Russian move and that was why I attacked Belgium
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: And Belgium was French in Spring 1909
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: @France in the absence of knowing Russia's move, you could have simply held, rather than attacked.
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: I dont need advices by enemies, England.
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: I'm just saying, the moves on the board look more like an understanding for a two-way France + Austria draw than a three-way draw that includes Russia.
19 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: It wouldn't work that way. You can't get a two way draw in this website. All parties have to agree to a draw and there are 35 total SCs on the board. If it really did get down to just two people left, one of them has 18 centers and one of them has 17, and the one who has 18 has won the game outright.

In normal diplomacy rules, that is why a combination of 24 centers is enough for a dual victory as if you completely divide up the map someone ends up winning. Austria could be using France to try and go for a solo, but a two way victory is impossible.
20 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1910: Damn, I held. I had orders in and everything.

To be honest, I'm fine with a draw in the name of keeping the game from being too much longer. I would go for the solo but I'm feeling just a little bit burnt out.
21 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 1911: GO FOR THE SOLO
21 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 1911: No.
21 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 1911: Can we at least go for ice cream?
22 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 1911: "Solo."
22 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 1911: Yeah, sure, we can go for ice cream :)
22 Feb 18 UTC Spring, 1911: Noice!
23 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1911: Russia may strike.
23 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1911: Especially if Austria is asleep again. I regret that Tunis is not in reach.
23 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1911: I'm not asleep, I'm hibernating.
23 Feb 18 UTC Autumn, 1911: GIMME TUNIS
23 Feb 18 UTC draw
23 Feb 18 UTC I think Russia could solo now if they really wanted to do so.

A brief glance makes it look like the Austria-Russian border is a stalemate, but I think he would break into France. He could definitely take Liverpool and I think Munich as well. He'd need two more centers though.

He'd go Edi to Clv, Norwegian Sea to NOA, North Sea to English Channel. Move Holland to Ruhr. Support hold everywhere else.

Next turn he takes Liverpool, threatens Brest and maybe takes Munich.

Or he just draws. Either is fine by me.
23 Feb 18 UTC If Russia attacks me, Austria needs to help me. With Austrian support Russia cannot conquer Munich.
23 Feb 18 UTC Russia already wrote he accepts a 3 way draw and this is great.
23 Feb 18 UTC Not right now, but if Burgandy is stuck supporting Munich in defense, he can potentially break in elsewhere. You can hold Munich for the short term, but it's not a stalemate line, he can go around you while you're stuck defending.

Honestly if Austria-Hungry really wants to prevent a solo victory he should move his fleets towards the Western Med, so that he could threaten to go for his own victory.
23 Feb 18 UTC Right now Russia loses nothing by trying.

Aside from his own honor/boredom, which are real things, but from a gamesmanship perspective he risks nothing.

Three way draws really only work when there is a stalemate line or a real concern that two of the three parties could turn on the other. Russia is under no threat of capture or defeat, so if he was to try and take you out, worst case scenario is that he's back to a three way draw.
23 Feb 18 UTC Why do you try to avoid a draw?

Russia agreed to a draw, Im sure he will hold word.
23 Feb 18 UTC I'm not involved in the draw, but I very much enjoy game theory. I am commenting on the game because I enjoy doing so.
24 Feb 18 UTC Looks like someone is not drawing.
24 Feb 18 UTC Liverpool, for a start, is doomed, left vulnerable by the fleet that left its post to chase me down in Spain.
24 Feb 18 UTC Go out of this game, this is like cheating.
24 Feb 18 UTC Munich is easy to get as well.

By taking me out, France has greatly lowered the odds of its own survival.
24 Feb 18 UTC You are a very bad loser.
24 Feb 18 UTC I agree with the Germany commenter, the only way Russia draws is if he's scared Austria will take France before he does.
24 Feb 18 UTC France may have to carefully offer supply centers to Austria to cool Russia's jets.
24 Feb 18 UTC It is forbidden to give advices as a dead player.
24 Feb 18 UTC Do not break the rules.
24 Feb 18 UTC As far as I know it's not. Can you cite the rule?
24 Feb 18 UTC Have you ever played diplomacy in real? As a board game?
How should a dead player speak and negotiate?
24 Feb 18 UTC I just checked, all that is forbidden is commenting about gunboat games in the forum.
24 Feb 18 UTC http://webdiplomacy.net/rules.php
24 Feb 18 UTC Anyway, it may be time for Noelopan tactics.
24 Feb 18 UTC Good game everyone
24 Feb 18 UTC Good game
24 Feb 18 UTC Good game, next game I'm killing everyone haha
First france didn't do well against England and Germany's *single armies*, otherwise this game would have been a lot shorter

Did anyone hear anything from Turkey?
24 Feb 18 UTC First France actually quit lol.
24 Feb 18 UTC What was the best move of the game, and why was it A Bel to Hol in S1906? :p
24 Feb 18 UTC good game, well played
24 Feb 18 UTC Yorkshire is still pink.
24 Feb 18 UTC GG. It was very entertaining to watch!

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Russia
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
Austria
wofi (113 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
13 supply-centers, 12 units
France
Javatiger (2932 D)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 23 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
England
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Italy
diplomatt13 (187 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Germany
MattyofG (210 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Turkey
q23 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
joeyboy35 (0 D X)Germany (Autumn, 1901) with 3 centres.
xXx_Paul-kun_xXx (197 D)Italy (Spring, 1902) with 3 centres.
Arumer97 (0 D X)England (Autumn, 1906) with 2 centres.
Quantitas (136 D)Germany (Autumn, 1905) with 1 centres.
Chance (300 D)France (Autumn, 1909) with 6 centres.
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