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Finished: 01 PM Sat 28 Oct 17 UTC
Fallout Friday
1 day /phase
Pot: 85 D - Spring, 2009, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
23 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [India]:Hey everyone, once Quebec gets eliminated the top 7 all have solid equity in the game as they each control a different portion of the world. I'm proposing a 7 way draw. If that is too many we can try and reduce it by one.

Not to sound biased but Russia has a lot of supply centers vulnerable to me, Ghana, and Western Canada if he chooses to get involved.

I'm also happy to keep Russia in the game if the other players want. I think that there needs to be a definitive winner in Africa. If one of Ghana or Kenya is willing to take the continent we can do a 5 or 6 way draw that way too.
23 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Western-Canada]:Not a bad thought. This map is a huge pain to try and solo win, first because there are so many players that can team up and stop you in your tracks, and secondly you have a huge number of moves to enter every turn as you near the victory condition.

Me and Argentina are only just now about to clear up Quebec and we don't have any enmity with any surrounding nations. The wind could blow many ways so to speak, but the two of us have established a level of understanding with each other.

I would like to hear more opinions as well. If people are satisfied to draw the game 7-way, that's fine by me. Otherwise we will continue and see how the game ends up.
23 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Russia]:I would agree to a draw
23 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Near-East]:Can I win too?
23 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [India]:So to recap:

So two questions:

1. After Quebec, do we want to keep Russia in the game? I don't know what Ghana and WC think but it would be up to you what happens. I'm fine with whatever is decided.
2. Do we want a decisive winner in Africa? Its in the center between all of us and if we want to reduce the amount of players drawing, having one clear winner there would do it...
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Ghana]:I'm happy to draw
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Kenya]:I'm fine with 7, yet ok to keep on playin.
I guess only Russia lacks of strong ally here, so it would naturally end up WC&A/G&K/I&FA
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Frozen-Antarctica]:I would be happy with a seven-way draw, If we were to eliminate more players I could see Ghana and or Russia being done away with
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Kenya]:the fun is if India and Russia gets allied and have 30 SCs(if Russia gains add Fra), it will be total war between I&R vs rest, that can be fun lol
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Frozen-Antarctica]:They would be pretty screwed, primarily they have power in armies, we all have way too many fleets for them to deal with
24 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2007: [Kenya]:armies vs. marines!
25 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 2008: [Kenya]:so we draw after this turn?
26 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2008: [India]:So WC and Argentina seem to be in an alliance and heading west...I'm assuming that means the two of you don't want to draw with Quebec now gone?
26 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2008: [Quebec]:GG maybe a little ambitious to try this map as a new player but quite enjoyed it
26 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2008: [Kenya]:good game man
26 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2008: [Western-Canada]:I'm still willing to draw after Quebec is gone, if everyone else casts their draw vote as well. I have simply confirmed with Argentina where to move next in case the game continues. I have no hostility with Russia or Ghana, nor does Argentina.

India, you have been trying to setup Ghana and Kenya against each other for a while now, but you're ignoring the fact that you're very undermanned in terms of fleet. Why should we attack a well balanced continent, when you are the largest player in the game right now, but with barely any fleet to protect your East coast? You are a much more logical target. If Kenya joins in against you, you will have zero chance. Besides, I don't like to put my faith in people who scheme around.

Again, if most players cast their draw vote after this turn, then so will I. But if the game continues, this is the direction we're going with.
26 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 2008: [Russia]:I will be casting mine.
26 Oct 17 UTC [Frozen-Antarctica]:I have have cast a draw vote
26 Oct 17 UTC [Frozen-Antarctica]:are the draw votes hidden or am I just the only one who has drawn
27 Oct 17 UTC [Russia]:Just as a note to anyone who thinks they may not want to draw: if everyone but you wants to draw, we have incentive to all turn on you because we all get to draw with more points.
27 Oct 17 UTC [India]:@WC- I casted my vote for the draw. Its not like I have a massive advantage or anything. 16 units is still miles away from "soloing" its not even funny. In my book its basically even between myself and others. I do have quite a bit of fleets that I can hold on better than you may think. Believe it or not I actually haven't been scheming. I've been pretty blunt with what I've wanted to do in the game etc. Again, I voted draw. I was thinking it may be logical to have one winner in Africa if we wanted to reduce the draw since that is the quickest way to do it. Again, no scheming, just an honest assessment.

Russia is correct. Anyone not voting to draw is asking to be ganged up on. I'm not sure what I said to you WC that led you to wanting to wage war on me but thats your choice I guess. At the moment, you, Argentina and Kenya are the only ones who haven't agreed to draw. It looks like Kenya will do it since he's been wanting to. Its just you and Argentina then. Quebec is gone from the game. Its just the final 7.
27 Oct 17 UTC [India]:@FA draw votes are not hidden. Me, you, Russia, and Ghana have voted draw. WC, Argentina and Kenya haven't yet.
27 Oct 17 UTC [India]:Argentina has drawn...its just down to WC and Kenya...
27 Oct 17 UTC [Kenya]:I think India has been scheming too, so even I put draw as said, I'm still ready to move on
27 Oct 17 UTC [India]:How can I be scheming? I have draw voted up. I'm ready for the game to end. I'll obviously continue playing if a draw doesn't happen but I'm mainly going to be protecting myself and trying to slowly build...

If "scheming" is being used to mean strategize, then I guess I'm guilty. We all strategize though...
27 Oct 17 UTC [Western-Canada]:I've casted my vote as well. I wanted to draw anyway if everyone else agreed. To some people the difference between scheming and being strategic can be a fine line, to others there's the difference is distinct. In my book, telling Ghana to take out Kenya and telling Kenya to take out Ghana is both scheming and strategic, but scheming nonetheless. Not a very worthy remark I know, but I still felt like throwing that out there.

In any case, good game to everyone, including India.
27 Oct 17 UTC [India]:Good game.
27 Oct 17 UTC [Russia]:Good game all
27 Oct 17 UTC [Ghana]:Yes here's to the survivors
28 Oct 17 UTC [Kenya]:good games!
28 Oct 17 UTC [Frozen-Antarctica]:gg!

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