Finished: 11 AM Sat 21 Oct 17 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 70 D - Autumn, 1915, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
22 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1907: Hey, new italy here.
22 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1907: If u have any intresting ideas me and england are open to hear...i hope your idea doesnt include austria the backstabber.
22 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1907: iam goin straigh to the point ,cause this sesson is to long,iam suggesting you a 3 way draw(Me,England and you) if u dont agree well i cant offer you anything more.
23 Sep 17 UTC Spring, 1908: I don't see why I shouldn't be a part of this draw. I've played this game since the very beginning. Why should Italy get a free draw just because he joined at the right time, but I shouldn't because I happened to backstab you? Backstabbing is what this game is about. At the very least, we should have some kind of four way draw.
23 Sep 17 UTC Spring, 1908: This game will go on literally forever if we don't come to some kind of an agreement. I can easily keep Germany and England bottlenecked in central Europe and Italy will prevent any english fleet from passing into the Mediterranean. I say we end it here. It may not be ideal, but it's the easiest route any of us can take.
23 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: honestly, I'm with Austria. Let's just draw and end it.
23 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: nope i dont like austria
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: This is a strategy game that literally revolves around backstabs and betrayal. If you don't like getting back stabbed you probably shouldn't be playing this game. And you can't hold up a game just because you hold an unjustified grudge. i can't believe you're willing to drag out a game for another 5 years for such a petty reason.
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: 5 years but eventually we will win
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: I've never played with someone as stubborn as you. I'd really recommend that if you play any future games you shouldn't hold these crazy grudges and just lighten up about the game in general. I still can't believe that you're willing to hold up everyone in this game just to satisfy a grudge that you hold.
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: no iam not holding anything i just know me and england can beat you,our orders beated you and we are even comeback...why should we peace if u wanted to fight us ? isnt it better killing u and the peace out :)
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: your making excuses now just to save yourself mate
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: I was ready to fight you when I had a solid alliance partner. But then Italy left, opening up my entire southern and eastern flank to units that I didn't have to originally worry about. While I've been scrambling to protect my unguarded supply centers, you and England have been enjoying a friendly, powerful alliance and have easily managed to beat me back.

What I'm saying that I might have stood a chance against you and England if Italy hadn't left. All I was asking was for a fair draw in response to the unforeseen circumstances that came up. But youve shown that you don't care that I'm now severely disadvantaged. You're content to destroy me despite the unfair circumstances that brought us to this situation.
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Sorry for the paragraph long response.
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: well people pick there partners either way ur partner losed in west...and now ur losing in east and ur central line will fall so why ur talking,you backstabbed us and italy leave,thats not our problem u made ur problems,maybe if u backstabbed italy we would finish this game already
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: all iam saying ... your choices made you in this condition which you are now :)
24 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: That logic is completely ridiculous. I guess the only criteria for picking a partner should be about how reliable they will be in the future. It shouldn't at all be based around how strategically minded they are or how well their ideas for expansion match yours.

The idea that I should be held 100% accountable for italys actions despite never having met with him or talked to him in real life is ludicrous. Would it be fair to England if you suddenly left, allowing me to go straight through your centers and easily get a solo win?
25 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well life is hard...get used to it,ofcourse theres a chance of england or me to dc but still,your the unlucky one
25 Sep 17 UTC Spring, 1909: actually lets use that army in norway ? move your army from norway in st.petersburg
25 Sep 17 UTC Spring, 1909: Since Germany is the only one unwilling to draw, why don't we all just deal with him and then draw three way?
25 Sep 17 UTC Spring, 1909: Sounds good to me.
27 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1909: Even if you slow us...eventually we will overrun you mate
27 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1909: You know what? Congratulations England and Germany. You've won. My only ally Italy has left and then been replaced. And this last turn he didn't even move. My ally to the north, Russia has decided that he doesn't want to play anymore. And I'm stuck inputting orders that I know will only delay my inevitable destruction. And yet somehow, you remain convinced that you've come about your victory fairly. That your strategic brilliance has led you to come out on top.

I've been playing webdiplomacy for two years. It is the fairest and most polite internet community that I've ever seen or been a part of. Germany, you're not representative of of any webdiplomacy player that I've come across. You're stubborn, arrogant, and hold the longest grudges that I've ever seen. I hope you're happy that you've won. I hope it was worth it and I hope I never have to play another game with someone like you.
27 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1909: Mate,every man is diffrent,not every one is polite and nice and get used to it...iam polite to a nice person,not to you i dont like ur ideas i dont like ur thinking,so why i must hide it and be like others intrigants(people who talk bullshit in u face and tell everything in your back) ?
27 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1909: Thats me and iam not gonna hide it
27 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1909: I'm not asking for you to be polite. I'm asking for you to be fair. I'm asking for you to consider that the circumstances that have led to your success have not been remotely fair to me.

The reason why I'm asking for a draw is because this game has completely fallen apart. Players have dropped out. Others have consistently not submitted orders.

I understand that because you're in a good position, you want to go for the win. But what I don't understand is how you can be so oblivious and dismissive of how unfair this game has been for me in the past few turns. I don't care if you're polite. I don't care if you insult me or judge me. But I do care that you understand the basic differences between what is fair and what is not.

I have no doubt that you're going to dismiss this and immediately pound out a paragraph filled with misspelled words, abbreviations, and the word "mate." So instead of asking what you think about all this, I'd like to ask England a question. Do you agree with what Germany is saying? Or do you accept that there have been past events that might warrant a draw?
27 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1909: It's unfortunate that Italy left but I'm just playing the game. It happens. Not going to get involved in this, sorry.
27 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1909: But you won't even consider a draw?
27 Sep 17 UTC Autumn, 1909: It's not in my interest at this time. I haven't done anything wrong, I'm just playing the game. I respect both points of view.
03 Oct 17 UTC Spring, 1911: When a player is mad or sad his slowing the game ofcourse,funny guy :D
03 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: Will you just piss off already? I'm away from home and have very little wifi. Not only is it next to impossible to log onto my account, I barely have any time to actually input any orders. I'm under a lot of stress right now at work and your annoying comments and crap personality are the last thing I need right now. I hope that this is able to send.
03 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: Sorry mate i didnt now,i was hoping you put ready on when ever yor ready adctually to do phase more faster
03 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: or in the other case scenario i will be glad to see a surrender it will take 3-4 years just to destroy you complitly
03 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: iam sorry for harming you or being rude..but mate its over
04 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: Hey Germany,
I'm really sorry for acting that way yesterday in the chat. That was uncalled for. I hope you and England have a good game.
04 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: Thanks mate...good game iam sorry you had a italy player who dc but it happends
17 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1914: Do you trust eachother enough to make it 2way draw?
17 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1914: Yes we do actually,we calculated everything so no one can get backstabbed
17 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1914: I want to see it. Cheering for you. And will be placing my orders asap.
17 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1914: Thanks Italy, you're top notch.
17 Oct 17 UTC Autumn, 1914: i agree
19 Oct 17 UTC And now we see German solo :) well played.
19 Oct 17 UTC No one will be backstabbed,cause there people with honour not like you :)
19 Oct 17 UTC I am already dead. I cannot have honour.
19 Oct 17 UTC Good game mate,your awesome
19 Oct 17 UTC Good game all. Can't believe Germany didn't take the solo! That's true honor and integrity.
19 Oct 17 UTC Good game Germany and England. You both deserved the win.
20 Oct 17 UTC Thanks Austria
20 Oct 17 UTC Congrats guys. Germany, you are one of the few not to take solo here.
20 Oct 17 UTC Thanks!
I never liked selfish people..

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CarsonCole (100 D)Italy (Spring, 1914) with 2 centres.
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