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Finished: 10 AM Thu 06 Jul 17 UTC
Private 2016 World Cup Finals: FP2
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 35 D - Autumn, 1917, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Unranked
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
28 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I don't know. I'm just happy I still own Tuscany and North Africa.
28 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I know the feeling, I'm elated with Clyde.
28 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 1907: This was about me feeling uncomfortable with a player writing me the press "If we were playing FtF, I'd already be considering physical violence against you, even though I'm usually a very calm person."

I occasionally play ftf and wouldn't want to risk to encounter this player in a real life game, but much more important is that it needs to be pointed out that threatening fellow Diplomacy players to be the potential target for physical violence is not in order. It is way beyond in order. Seriously crossing the line.

The TD didn't agree so the player hasn't been substituted.

So let's get this game finished now, it has gone far beyond the point of enjoyment.
28 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I'm regrettably hurrying right now, so I'll be unable to offer an answer to what you wrote right now. Still, I'll send here part of my first message to Yoyoyozo:

'As for Germany, I did write a couple of harsh messages, certainly well within acceptable diplomatic tone, for very understandable reasons, in light of moves. The last one can be interpreted as slightly more unpolite and, while I can't reread it now, I remember it enough to offer a few insights.

As Germany was once again claiming it would be happy if I could be brought to do what it asked, and then it would to its part of the deal, even though Germany had consistently failed to keep its own words, I made it clear I had no more patience (which I consider very understandable, even if not particularly wise, for one in my position given the German orders and the unmatching press exchanges).

Firstly, by saying that, were we playing a FtF game, I'd have considered resorting to physical violence. The conditional nature of the remark is grammatically undeniable, and its hyperbolic nature self-evident. At the very least, this can't be considered a threat in light of the grammatical structure, and due to the game not being FtF, and the possibility of we ever playing FtF being negligible, thus making the situation in which this would, under these circumstances, be considered impossible.

Also, it should be noticed I'm hinting at the fact that things can get way more heated in FtF, when compared to other ways of playing, and with that hyperbolically expressing my utter lack of patience. As our case is clearly the latter (our experience could hardly be more different from FtF), it stands as obvious (even not considering the above-exposed considerations) that I wouldn't be carried away like that.

I also claim not to be an usually angry person, and proceed to, albeit (comprehensively) sharply, lengthy address the remaining issues at hand.

A very rare exception in my habits, I did use unpolite words, if I not mistaken, three times, and none of them as curses towards Germany. I simply made it crystal clear that, should Germany not comply to my demands, I'd go 'fuck it mode' and side with Austria. In my humble opinion, there is no doubt the insult the word might have carried does not exist and is not pointed at Germany.

Again, I'm sorry if the meaning of 'giving it up' or 'ignoring reason' or whatever else can be said to be the intending meaning of my words was unclear and, instead, it sounded aggressive and offensive. I'd certainly have managed to avoid it, were English my first language.


Lastly, when reviewing the relevant messages and thus judging what I meant, I urge you to consider I've been around for nearly eight years without ever sparking any sort of problem or violating a single site rule. If you want, all my other games can be considered as well and, if you don't happen to properly recall the one game we played together, I'm certain there are several players who would eagerly confirm I have never threatened someone and that this sort of action could hardly be more alien to my behaviour.

However confident in the non-irl-threatening nature of my messages, I'm deeply sorry if they were for any reason interpreted this way by any party. I'm also confident that a calm and impartial analysis will confirm the lack of any malevolent intention of mine.

Still, if I'm indeed the cause of the whole affair, I'm awfully sorry about the inconvenience. I remain more than available and willing to help clarify whatever may remain unclear, and will, if my words did indeed cause these unwanted reactions, regardless of whether or not you find my words to be unacceptable, adopt precautionary measures to avoid this sort of incident and consequent annoyance ever happening again.'
29 Apr 17 UTC Spring, 1907: I don't know where you guys play ftf, but we get into fights all the time in my region. Belgium is often the source of serious physical altercations. In fact, only newbs play a Dip around here without a bit of martial arts training.
01 May 17 UTC Spring, 1907: Hehe, no wonder the ftf hobby suffers from a decline in regrowth.
03 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1907: Bye BYE!
04 May 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Thanks for filling in, England!
04 May 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Yes, thank you England, very much appreciated!
09 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Austria, please set draw to end this...
09 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: The TD will stop the game at the end of 1929, that's another 20+ game years, let's not sell this one short, there's lots of play left in here
09 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: I'm quite sure it is actually 1919 that the game will be ended by the TD, but not that much in it anyway. We have the stalemate lines established and are dedicated to hold them. I know you want more centers but there won't be no solo. But sure, there is a chance you bore us out, there is...
09 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: 1919 was first round, finals is 1929
09 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Somebody is sure to screw up their orders by 1929.
09 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Meh!

Italy: True, let's concede this game to Austria and finish it.
Austria: How many centers do you want?
09 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: We could go for some kind of record. If we step out of all our centers, it should be possible for you to add up at least Nwy, Ber, Kie, Spa and Por to Mun, Mar and StP (which of one is the 18th). And if we open up MAO, maybe a couple of your fleets can sail up for grabbing Bre, Lon and Lvp. That's 28 SC's. Should be some kind of record, huh?
10 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: I don't get a vote anymore so my opinion doesn't matter. But you guys need to stay focus and keep Austria from a solo. If it is a four way draw, that's not such a great result for Austria's team, and maybe my teammates can overcome my elimination, zero-point performance in this game. Ah, if only Russia had listened to me when I was in Albania, I might have wrecked the Austrian's game and one of you other dudes could be trying for a solo. Oh, well.
18 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: Moderator: (Yoyoyozo): The games will be force drawn in the end of 1929 as the former TD states as the most recent ruling regarding the WC Finals in the thread.
22 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: Nevertheless, a stalemate line is established and if Austria is the only one holding up the game, there might be a chance to ask the TD for a forced draw? I just extrapolate, with a third of the game years played by now, we might be facing a game that continues to summer 2018..?
23 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: I see no reason why we can't wrap things up before Christmas, but I'm only in control of so much in here... Speaking of, would people be willing to vote pause (not a TD forced pause, no resetting of phase afterwards) over the holiday weekend, I'm heading to a remote location with very little cell service (Saturday through Wednesday)?
23 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: I'm happy to do that if it's within the rules for the world cup.
23 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: I'm not all against pausing, if allowed, but have you already used your week off, per the tournament rules? And if not, I have yet a better idea still - Why don't you vote Draw and you can have a how long weekend off in the uncovered as you like. Together with your fellow players of this game. How is that? Seriously, let us know. Is your hope that one of us will NMR one of the remaining 18 game years? Probably allowed, according to the tournament rules, but hardly sportsmanlike.
Respect our time like you want us to respect yours, and finish off this game now, please!
24 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: Thanks for the responses, I will proceed accordingly.
24 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: I have no problem with voting pause, though I'm afraid I'd have to follow whatever the TD recomends. Still, I don't see why we shouldn't pause it. The analysis of these requests should not, according to proper sportsmanship, be directly related to what is happening in the game.
24 May 17 UTC Autumn, 1911: Thank you as well, France.
25 May 17 UTC Spring, 1912: Moderator: (Yoyoyozo): Paused for a week by request
04 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1912: I have asked the TD to start a three year clock to get this game finished before gameyear 1929 if no SC's changes hand for the period of three game years, so we may spend the summer with other stuff than caring for a reoccurring 36 hrs deadline or for when approximately weeklong pauses are unpaused.
No reply from Yoyoyozo yet though but hope you all could stand behind such a solution.
05 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1912: Sorry Germany, this is the World Cup, site rules be damned! Yoyo clearly stated the game would be force drawn in 1929, which implies not a second earlier... We all knew what we were signing up for with the World Cup, anything goes as we all do whatever is required, for however long it takes, to bring home the title, the dance has only just begun!
05 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1912: As you may understand from earlier posts, I obviously didn't sign up for a tournament that run longer than 1919. It was completely surprise to me. And in my tradition, if the game won't change, it is good manors to draw and let others tend to more important stuff.
05 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1912: This is a draw if I ever saw one.
08 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1912: This is the World Cup, all final games are interconnected and affect each other, as long as one game is not stalemated, no game is stalemated.
08 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1912: I thought we were allowed to understand who was in control of which country here. Therefore, I don't understand how dragging this game out effects the other ongoing games, which are also all supposed to be anonymous.
16 Jun 17 UTC Autumn, 1914: Moderator: (Yoyoyozo): Paused for a week
26 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1915: Just to be clear. There are rumours that some player(s) see an outcome of this game to be a 2WD. I am not one of those. Repeat: I don't believe this to be possible!
I can see two possible outcomes, a 4WD or a solo. The latter only if anyone throw the game to Austria. Hence I only hold the 4WD to be a choice of mine and I have for quite a while now. Hence I have a vote for a draw, which I have had for quite a while now.
Any other outcome, a 2WD or a 3WD are only naïve illusions.
Let's be reasonable and put an end to this folly now.
Please.
29 Jun 17 UTC Spring, 1916: Interesting idea by Austria. If he can get you guys to bite and then you try to eliminate France for the points, then Austria could possibly bypass the stalemate line and bust into the Mid Atlantic. Maybe if Austria pulled his fleets back to Aegean and EME, there would be less risk. How about it Austria? Why aren't you ordering F Ion-EME; F Tyn-Ion; F Wes-Tyn for starters. You could withdraw into Syria and Adriatic and DMZ the entire western Med. Food for thought.
01 Jul 17 UTC Spring, 1916: I started to vacate the west, in spring 1913, but the Russian objected, presumably to keep the German out of Warsaw...
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: To be clear, I still object to Austria vacating the west :-)
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: OK, so A will have all its units two moves away from the action. Three moves to break through the line. How will this change things?
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Germany gets Vienna and Warsaw. Russia Moscow. France Brest.
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: I'm the mediator. How about that Austria?
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Also, please move out of Piedmont and let Germany into Tyrolia.
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Don't get me wrong, I appreciate your efforts but how will that result in anything else but redistribution of centers? And if not, why would the potential target of elimination from the draw be interested in that scenario?

I e what are you after? What is the meta gaming here? (I assume meta gaming would be the only reason for not ending this game right now)
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Well, that's a good point. I guess I would like to see you guys eliminate Austria. He broke a goats blood covenant and deserves to die a horrible death. I cannot think of anything worse for a Dip player than to be on the verge of victory and end up being eliminated.
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: I think Austria should have to order all holds except naf-tun, tun-naf for the remainder of the game while we eliminate him. That'd be totally fair, right?
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: Nothing changes. You're still afraid of him.
01 Jul 17 UTC Autumn, 1916: :-)
05 Jul 17 UTC Moderator: (Yoyoyozo): This game was force drawn due to a stalemate for over 5 years with no progression
05 Jul 17 UTC Good job stopping Austria guys.
05 Jul 17 UTC Thank you for your cooperation :-)
Now, onto the EOG statement.
05 Jul 17 UTC This ought to be good.

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Austria
MadMarx (36299 D (G))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
Germany
Seichuto (308 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
9 supply-centers, 8 units
France
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Russia
peterwiggin (15279 D Mod (S))
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 5 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
England
MrcsAurelius (3051 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Italy
eturnage (500 D (B))
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Turkey
VashtaNeurotic (2394 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
Hellenic Riot (1626 D (G))England (Spring, 1905) with 3 centres.
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