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Finished: 08 AM Thu 18 Feb 10 UTC
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1 day /phase
Pot: 88 D - Spring, 2010, Finished
World Diplomacy IX, Public messaging only, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [Western-Canada]:Good point, Frozen.
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [China]:@ Frozen: Well then, why have you moved all your fleets back from the African front? And anyways, Japan will just keep tapping WPO's support, and Guanzhou might support hold South China Sea, so I'll be keeping that piece of water.

@ Kenya: I hope we are still in good terms. My apologies for my lack of trust in you. I won't tap your fleets, and if you need and help, I'll be there.
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [Europe]:@Canada: I'd like to keep Near East in the game, besides, I did say I didn't have the intention of wiping him out, so I'd like to save him from Kenya. Besides, it's only a 2 point difference.

I agree with you. Not really any place to go for us. The only real thing we could do is start a ground offensive in Asia and that may get us one...maybe two SC's. Aside from that, I wouldn't mind us taking control of the North Atlantic.
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [Argentina]:How about a grand alliance of the powers that agreed to draw v. those who are not drawing?
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [Frozen-Antarctica]:That would be everyone against Canada and Kenya?
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [Argentina]:Yeah... what do you think?
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [Kenya]:@China -- Thank you. I'm glad we could resolve things without a wasteful war. I am not moving against you, again.

@Europe -- Why do you want to keep Near East in the game? Any reason besides not letting me get those SCs? I thought you, like me, wanted to whittle down the number of shares in draw? I would be happy splitting the 2 left with you if it means ending this game quicker.

@Argentina -- Considering both Canada and I have promised to draw once the field gets to 7 (or lower) I am not sure why you are threatening us. I find it even more odd in regards to Canada since I thought you two have were allies since the beginning.

@Canada (and Ghana/Europe) -- I propose a mutual defense pact. If Argentina continues his aggressive moves against you, I will do everything I can to help you remove him from the field. I also think moving to S. America would answer your question of where to go next...
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [Argentina]:Yeah... I understand if everyone want to knock me down a peg. Being the largest power that's acting on my own accord just makes me a target everyone wants to pick on... oh wait a minute, that's not me! Pretty rich suggesting to everyone to attack one of the powers you are in no position to attack yourself, and is trying to actually draw (which you haven't voted to yet).
15 Feb 10 UTC Spring, 2009: [Europe]:@Kenya: I never cared to whittle down the number of countries. We are only talking about 2 points per a person (actually more like 1.5)- why not keep him in?
15 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Argentina]:There is very little I can do at this point. I'm taking Caribean islands to determine that it is, in fact, not a SC. I will be moving to Yellow Sea, giving Canada the opportunity to take Japan. Anyone else looking for assistance, I might be able to help you out.
15 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Argentina]:Though I'd prefer the world unite to put down the Kenya/Canada Coalition.
15 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Kenya]:@Argentina -- You were the one suggesting a grand alliance against me when you have no direct way of attacking me either.

@Europe -- Just thought that with you being one of the largest powers now you would want a more equitable split. Still don't really understand why you would want to keep him in the game other than to deny me the SCs (which I would understand).
15 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Argentina]:@Kenya - I suggested the Coalition, so while I would be of little help against you, I could distract Canada while others made inroads into the North American continent.
15 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Europe]:@Kenya: if we draw it doesn't matter how many SC's we have. I feel obligated to help the small guy out- besides, when I said I wasn't going to knock him of the game I didn't know you were going to attack him too.
15 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Kenya]:@Europe -- I know when we draw we all get an equal share. I meant equitable in the sense that the rest of us have 9-15 SCs while NE only has 2.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Frozen-Antarctica]:I don't think near east deserves the draw.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Near-East]:It feels nice being wanted, though=]
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [China]:@ Argentina: I will stand by my allies Canada and Kenya, and I'm hoping that Europe will stand by Canada, since there would be a Russia instead of a Europe if it weren't for Canada. That would even the field. But we should not even be talking about wars and who will be on whose side, we should be using diplomatic efforts to convince Canada and Kenya to draw with Near East. Fighting will do no good, and obviously you have the biggest case of war mongering amongst us final 8, even after you voted for a draw. Quite the hypocrite, I'd say.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [China]:@ Canada: please don't take Japan from me. I feel confident about my position around my homeland coastal area, and if you wish, I can start helping you through the pacific if you wish.

@ Kenya and Ghana: Try to counter Frozen's moves in the southern reaches of the Indian Ocean by covering SW Indian and SE Atlantic.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Western-Canada]:China...Japan is yours forever. I don't want support to Central Pacific. I have no intention of attacking Argentina unless he provokes it with more than his keyboard.

Argentina...you need to calm yourself down. I do hope that China is right in the sense that Europe will stand by me as long as I don't attack him, and hopefully Ghana will stay with the African nations pact. And then, that would make it the world against you and Frozen, unless Frozen changes his mind. And China is indeed correct that you are hypocritic. :/
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Western-Canada]:Europe...very well. I'm now on the side of, "Let's include Near East in the draw!"

But on one condition...and that would be to find out if any uncoloured spot on the map are SCs.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Western-Canada]:JK!! More like, "I'm OCD, so I want to see the map fully coloured...." =D
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Frozen-Antarctica]:What! Why is the world against us?!?
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Western-Canada]:Frozen, the world is not against you, but Argentina is being quite hostile to some nations and thier alliances. I hope that we resolve our quarrels without any fights, and if there are fights, it won't be against you.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Europe]:@Kenya: I see your point, however, it's not a strong enough reason for me to change my mind.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Europe]:@Canada: NOOO How am I suppose to get to Marie Byrd Land?!? hehe.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Kenya]:@World: So does everyone want an 8-way draw then?
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Argentina]:Oh yes... Argentina is the one holding up the game.

All but two of us have agreed to draw. The other two are waiting for Near East to be wiped off the map, which doesn't seem to be happening too soon. I suggested the obvious solution, attack Kenya and Canada... which everyone seems to be afraid to act on.

Niceties that everyone is throwing around are fine to a degree, but this is getting absurd. Really... we just had a turn with 30+ units on the board... and no retreats!

I realize what I am saying is putting myself in everyone's crosshairs, and I will be the easy target as this game continues.

@China - I apologize for my suggestion of Canada attack on Japan, I was just trying to keep the game moving. I will not attack you this turn.

@Those who voted for draw - I will follow the consensus here. Are we really just going to sit, hold, twiddle our thumbs and wait for Canada and Kenya to vote for draw? I realize you have alliances with these folks, but what do we do now?
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Argentina]:I see Canada has voted draw now.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Kenya]:Yeah, he did that before, not because, of your latest tirade.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Argentina]:I didn't mean to take credit for it... I think he entered while I was in the midst of creating my verbosity earlier.
16 Feb 10 UTC Autumn, 2009: [Western-Canada]:So Argentina....since I've voted for a draw, are you now suggesting that the world unite to take out Kenya? I'm going to propose to the world that we all take you out for your verbal assaults on me and Kenya. hehehe

And lol @ Europe. :)
16 Feb 10 UTC [Argentina]:So the Caribbean Islands are, in fact, not a SC.
16 Feb 10 UTC [Ghana]:@ Europe I am confused as to why you want to keep Near east in the draw please enlighten me.
@ Frozen I am assuming you advanced back into the waters due to China's comments? As you can see there is no need to worry
@ Argentina you should get rid of that green spot on your island
16 Feb 10 UTC [Argentina]:LOL - I'm not the one with a green spot problem!
16 Feb 10 UTC [Europe]:@Near East: I'm going to support Iraq into SAr. If we do that- Near East either loses SAr to you but gains Afghanistan, or holds SAr and doesn't gain Afghanistan. This relies solely on the movement of the fleet in the Arabian S. (cutting support at Iran or support holding SAr).

@China: What would it take to get you to help out in defending Near East? I'm sure you know what it feels like to be hanging by a thread. You seem to be in a well defended position and capable of helping out the small guy. If we were to draw with eight players, everyone would get 11 points, drawing with 7 players will give you 12.57 points- a minute difference.
You are in the position to help the small guy out, I hope you still remember a time when you were on the verge of getting knocked out and needed someone to help. You are a resilient player who has conquered the odds and you've more than earned my respect. Whatever your decision, I still view your country in high regards.
16 Feb 10 UTC [Ghana]:@ Europe, I really am just curious why this i so important to you, your arrgument that is it just 2 points difference is irrelivant. This is a 5 point game so it as never about the points.
I am not angry just really curious why it is important for you to help him
16 Feb 10 UTC [Argentina]:I for one, would like to stand up and applaud Europe's move to save the little guy. (starts slow clap)

What can I do to help? Want me to tangle with Ghana?
16 Feb 10 UTC [Near-East]:[Near-East]: @Europe: I will move to Saudi Arabia, thank you.
16 Feb 10 UTC [Europe]:@Argentina: You can help by staying out of my arguments. I don't mean to sound disrespectful, but due to previous statements and arguments you've made and your overall general position in the world, you're not the best person to have jumping up and down for my cause. Your probably going to do more damage than you are good.
No, do not attack Ghana, this isn't his fight he is just being civil and debating. I welcome debate.

@Ghana: You bring up a good point. But if points don't matter, why does everyone want him gone? I've yet to hear a logical argument against keeping Near East in.
16 Feb 10 UTC [Kenya]:Well, for one, the object of the game is to eliminate as many opponents and gain as many SCs as possible. I can understand you propping up Near East to deny me (or anyone else) the SCs, but I do not understand why you are keeping him in the game just so he gets a share of the draw. The fact that the pot is so low only reinforces the fact that you should be playing for pride (or whatever you want to call it), and to me an 8-person draw is less of an accomplishment than a 7-person (or 6 or 5...).

But, I am tired of this. There is no convincing you, and I see little value in dragging this out while fighting a new war against Froz. I draw.
16 Feb 10 UTC [Argentina]:Sorry Europe... I we were just so disappointed to find no SCs in the Carribean Islands. I got your back, I won't meddle!

Hear that everyone?! Anyone who messes with Europe and his plans to incarnate his little buddy is gonna have to step over my cold dead body. Yeah... I'm looking at you Kenya!
16 Feb 10 UTC [Argentina]:Thanks Kenya!
17 Feb 10 UTC [Europe]:@Kenya: I'm sorry I made the game boring for you. But I don't always see knocking players out as an accomplishment. In this case, keeping the smallest player on the board alive and trying to wind up a war with one of the most powerful and tactful countries on the map (you) was trying to make the game interesting since you were withholding your vote. Keeping Near East alive was a small accomplishment as well.

@World: I enjoyed the game, well played by everyone.
17 Feb 10 UTC [Europe]:@Kenya: Also, the reason I backstabbed Near East in the first place was tie you up on SC's. So, I guess it was my ego...but I just wanted to compete with a phenomenal player- that's all. Good game.
17 Feb 10 UTC [Argentina]:I just want to apologize to South Africa... the guy didn't really stand a chance when I politely suggested to Frozen that we kick him off Antarctica.

Frozen and I had a nice thing going, and was looking forward to working with him in Asia and Africa. Thanks for the partnership.

I really didn't want to fight Brazil when I did, but the guy really didn't seem to be a cooperative player. And when he didn't like the moves I suggested, he should've said so.

Sorry to be the jerk at the end of the game... I'm not inclined as a player to just sit and do nothing as it seems that is what most of the board was doing.

Good game all. It was fun to try the new variation.
17 Feb 10 UTC [Argentina]:I just want to apologize to South Africa... the guy didn't really stand a chance when I politely suggested to Frozen that we kick him off Antarctica.

Frozen and I had a nice thing going, and was looking forward to working with him in Asia and Africa. Thanks for the partnership.

I really didn't want to fight Brazil when I did, but the guy really didn't seem to be a cooperative player. And when he didn't like the moves I suggested, he should've said so.

Sorry to be the jerk at the end of the game... I'm not inclined as a player to just sit and do nothing as it seems that is what most of the board was doing.

Good game all. It was fun to try the new variation.
17 Feb 10 UTC [Western-Canada]:Cool. Good game everyone. :)

I think that even had we decided not to draw, with our given alliances and position, it probably would still have been a draw.

Hats off to you, China, for singlehandedly fending off multiple attackers from multiple fronts. And you too Near East, for using your crazy diplomacy skills to convince Europe to support you to the end. :)
17 Feb 10 UTC [Near-East]:[Near-East] Thank you Canada, but unfortunately, I believe my survival has less to do with any diplomatic skill, and more with Europe seeking a reason to declare war on Kenya. Right?
17 Feb 10 UTC [Europe]:At first no, I just wanted a few SC's. But I saw the opportunity arising and since he was refusing to draw I figured I'd go for it.
I almost want to think he finally pulled the trigger on the draw because Frozen looks like he is moving to attack and the thought of China and me going to war with him may have frightened him a bit. But, that's just speculation and is probably wrong.

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Kenya
raapers (3044 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
Europe
prsman27 (799 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
Western-Canada
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
13 supply-centers, 13 units
Argentina
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Frozen-Antarctica
epikphail (140 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Ghana
Danaman (1666 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
China
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Near-East
Triskelli (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 11 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Russia
Siddhartha (1158 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Brazil
Puddle (443 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
South-Africa
YadHoGrojaUL (330 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Libya
pfranklin51 (140 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
India
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Pacific-Russia
ormi (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Quebec
finn15 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 3 D
Oz
Armour144 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
USA
Prosperity (0 D X)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
TheLastAlive (100 D)Quebec (Autumn, 2000) with 3 centres.
Armour144 (100 D)Oz (Spring, 2007) with 2 centres.
finn15 (100 D)Quebec (Autumn, 2001) with 1 centres.
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