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Finished: 12 AM Sat 18 Feb 17 UTC
Classic - High Bet-2
2 days /phase
Pot: 707 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by sweetwatersam (4867 D)
14 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1902: Though the game never seemed super enthusiastic.
14 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1902: Laszlo over there is practically RPing this game as the Tsar, he has enough enthusiasm to cover for like 3 people
23 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 1903: Hi y'all, sorry for no finalization I'm on vacation. Happy holidays!
27 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1903: Well, we'll be at a stalemate line pretty soon, unless someone misses an order or something. Still interest in playing this out?
27 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 1903: You know I will accept a draw!
05 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1905: I'm rather in favour of Italy's suggestion of a 7-way draw!
13 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Good game everyone.
13 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1906: Thanks for playing
22 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Thanks for the game, all. Death to Turkey! ;-)
22 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Looks like you will get your wish....they love their German.
22 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Congrats to the WT partnership and staying together. I've voted for a Draw if you want to include Turkey who has played a good game here.
22 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1908: It's an early Christmas gift to Turkey because he cannot survive.
23 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1908: Very kind of you France to do this. I feel we would have taken Europe even had turkey not stabbed Russia and austria. So I feel the draw should be for the WT.
23 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Alpulia will rise again!
25 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Ok
25 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: The WT is virtually unstoppable unless 3 of the remaining 4 countries quickly identify the threat and form a defensive stalemate position.
25 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: I agree and it highlights the slight imbalance of the western versus eastern countries, where it's possible for the western powers to invade from the north but not really possible for the eastern powers to invade from the south in the same way.
25 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: and there is the stab, I expected it last round
26 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: So E & T what are your thoughts? I am in
26 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well considering France has attacked all three of us I guess he is going solo. Makes the game more interesting for sure. Thank you France ;) im teddy for the challenge to stop and reverse his advances. Turkey?
26 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: The question again? Die to a penurious WT or earn a survive with France? Is that the question you asking me?
26 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: I was under the assumption that France attacked you as well. Greece, no? So my question is do you want to stop France from soloing? Now it's my turn to ask if you want to collaborate.
27 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: So you need Turkey's help after you declined for him to share in a four way Draw. Is that about right?.
27 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: It sucks to keep getting messages in a game I am out of. Is there a way to mute the game?
27 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 1908: Need is a relative word. If he wants to draw the game instead of losing it to you then he has that option.
28 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: All I wanted was the four way Draw! Turkey deserves a piece of the prize. I have voted Draw. I urge both England and Germany to come aboard!
29 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: Ah yes, the element of surprise. Knew it was going to happenthe entire time, but, never the less, the element of surprise.
29 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 1909: Fair enough. Draw it is.
07 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: Spring, 1909: All I wanted was the four way Draw! Turkey deserves a piece of the prize. I have voted Draw. I urge both England and Germany to come aboard!

I should have voted in the first place, however, are we now sure you were lying?
08 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: Certainly the only honorable victory for France is a solo. Why stab the two allies and ally with the enemy. So if we assume there are no external factors to this game that made France choose turkey, which is questionable?? given their other common games, then it really doesn't make sense to betray rock solid alliances to support the lost cause in the corner. My opinion.
08 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: Solo or draw four way. Otherwise we assume some shenanigans.
08 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: Shenanigans? Translation is sore loser. You left me an opening to a path for the solo. I made the decision to try for thebsolo and I then reached out to Turkey for his assistance. How is this shenanigans? I'm disappointed with your conclusions. Each game is different and an ally in a prior game may very well be an enemy in the next game.
08 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: I do know SWS from playing on this site. It happens that I find myself working with him in two games currently. However, you will also find more than a dozen games in which he rolled me hard. No meta-gaming to be seen here. Bottom line for me as Turkey is that I played for a piece of a 4-way draw, it was denied and I was clearly headed for the door. Saw a breakdown in the friendly fences and suggested to France to keep me for a survive and go for the solo. I imagine he was thinking along those lines already.
08 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: Thanks for the confirmation!
08 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: Fascinating
08 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: How so?
09 Feb 17 UTC Autumn, 1910: Not sarcasm. I am impressed with how all this went down
16 Feb 17 UTC Gratz on the solo.
16 Feb 17 UTC Much appreciated
16 Feb 17 UTC Never seen anything quite like it, what a game
16 Feb 17 UTC To what degree? There was a western triple that was working very well which would have eliminated Turkey. I decided to go for the solo since England and Germany were both out of position and reached out to Turkey for assistance. He chose to help me rather than be eliminated. I'm not sure what else one can deduce?
16 Feb 17 UTC I've never seen it work out this way before. I expected Turkey to back down from king making once you advanced toward solo win a bit and England wouldn't be able to both attack him and also force a draw.

I also tried to throw the game to you, but it was to terrorize your alliance into thinking that you would be able to do exactly what you ultimately did. I still would have voted draw.
16 Feb 17 UTC I'm not trying to throw shade your way or something, I am just remarking on my surprise
16 Feb 17 UTC In a non-anon game, being seen to keep your word to build a reputation is worth doing.
16 Feb 17 UTC I understand the logic of what you are saying in a general way, but you came across to me like a crazy person. You stabbed you two allies in return for nothing and then threw the game.
17 Feb 17 UTC That is what it turned out to be. It was 3 v 3 and our 3 was in trouble. Staying the course meant certain death. If I stabbed my alliance and came out large, I had a shot at earning a spot in a 3 or 4 way draw. In fact, a 4 way was offered, but Germany and/or England refused. So I was back on death row looking to punish the stingy.
18 Feb 17 UTC Get your revenge in Clasic - High Bet - 5!
18 Feb 17 UTC 192036
18 Feb 17 UTC I am glad the series has caught on but I need to take a break from press games. Work :(
18 Feb 17 UTC

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France
sweetwatersam (4867 D)
Won. Bet: 101 D, won: 707 D
20 supply-centers, 16 units
Turkey
Creigh (2732 D (G))
Survived. Bet: 101 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
England
jpuhrer (369 D)
Survived. Bet: 101 D
2 supply-centers, 5 units
Germany
vexlord (231 D)
Survived. Bet: 101 D
2 supply-centers, 2 units
Austria
swordsman3003 (14469 D (G))
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Russia
Laszlo Kovacs (365 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
Italy
ezk3626 (351 D)
Defeated. Bet: 101 D
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