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Finished: 07 PM Wed 11 Jan 17 UTC
Puppies of Combat 2
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 200 D - Spring, 2004, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Sum-of-Squares Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
05 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: C'est bon!
05 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: Italy must DIE!
05 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: is that because he muted me for a bit? I forgave him for that ;-)
05 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: Italy - let's get our demise over with ;-)
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: Thanks Poland. I guess it was a fun game. I tried the best i could to turn the situation around, but it is hard. Besides i was stabbed from the very beginning. And others players were very stubborn.

I would said Poland, Britain, France, Spain are normal diplomacy players. Germany was just a very naive one. But Ukraine, Turkey, Egypt, were the worst kind, no matter what, they never listened and just were seeking where to bite, even against their own interest. Ukraine and Egypt have peace now thanks to Geography, otherwise they will be fighting, this is beneficial to Ukraine which most probably will win a solo since i don't see any coalition of Spain Britain and Egypt working at all. Neither Britain or Egypt can really fight back, and Spain biggest job will be to remain still. That seems the most probable outcome, otherwise Ukraine decides to just draw, which will be funny to see. But well, whatever happend is not my business.

Nice played everybody. It was stressful, but since the beginning i know there were no chances. Besides the trying was enjoyable.
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: Have a nice day, walk it off, see you in the next one!
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: By worst players you mean those who steadfastly disagreed with your plans and views. OK Guilty.

To me the worst type of player spits the dummy and Mutes others in a game called Diplomacy - go figure.

Having sai that I massively spat the dummy at Poland for stabbing me, due to his own demons as I had zero intention of stabbing him, and probably would've offered England or Spain the 3rd leg in a draw.

C'est la vie.
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: Ya - games can go in all directions. Its a game. Minor stabs here and there from
Ukraine drove me crazy so I struck back and didnt do well as English hit me from other side. I've been working with my psychogist to handle paranoia since I started playing diplomacy. I might have a bad psychogist ;-)
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: Agree with Ukraine100% that muting is a very poor diplomatic strategy. Don't even know why game has option to mute
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: That said - english basically still muted me by not talking once he figured he could win it all.

Funniest country to watch this whole game has been Spain. I wanted to beg him to start supporting his moves instead of just striking head against brick walls but he figured out strategy as game went on

France - you get award for guy with best sense of humour.
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: (Hmm - I just realized my psychogist might not be a real psychologist ;-)
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: Tell me about your childhood Poland...
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: Ukraine, by the very same reason you think i only disliked you because you didn't agree with me, proves my point, because that is actually the way you are thinking. The problem is that i never see any sign of communication, you were just "listen to me, you dont get it, this is what is happening... ". The main problem with Egypt Ukraine Turkey, is that i never had any real communication at all. I don't remember any disagreement with them, they just grab and stab, and said yes to everything. The problem was not grabbing but the zero communication. Those are the ones i label the worst, they could had said, yeah i am going to attack you, and that would be acceptable. I dont think you would agree with this, but that is also exactly how you would answer to this anyway. I rest my case.
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: {waving of hands in a distracting manner}. Hey! Let's let France live! {projected voice} "That sounds like a good idea!"
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: To resume it a little bit. Is not that you agree or not, is that you don't even care. And it does feels like that, and that is the problem right there. No communication at all.
06 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2002: I'll take my lumps for this one, but you should not overgeneralize about your opponents. My central focus was the Ukraine/Turkey issues. While Italy can be a partner, that isn't how it worked out in this one. By the time that would have mattered, Spain was very open to communication. So for me, Italy just wasn't relevant.
06 Jan 17 UTC Spring, 2003: Well, Egypt, there are certain degress on that. Of course among the three, you were the less bad on that point. I apologize to you. I understand the situation.
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: And here comes the shot at the solo....
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Not a surprise at all.
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: You and Britain will need a remain-still-Spain, i wonder if he is willing. Most likely he wont.
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Go Ukraine! :-)
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: You had to know building an Army in Israel would get a reaction, Egypt. Consider it a fine for breaking the spirit of our detente yet again.
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Do you even believe the stuff you say? You've got the technique of claiming to be "invited" to invade down to a science.

He gets Iran, but that is the limit. I anticipated the pivot and have Greece covered. If Spain stays with the anti-solo alliance, the south is set.
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Ukraine, can we just end this once we knock off Poland?
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: what - the brits can speak!? ;-)

Ukraine has solo now - will be fun to watch.
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: If Spain is content to be part of a coalition, he doesn't have the solo. South is locked up after Iran, the English hold Mun with enough around to lock up the middle, and his fleets are enough to hold off any land-based expansion in the north in conjunction with Poland.
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Egypt - you made an agreement and broke it - your action - not mine. As to my intent I only intend to whittle your points down a bit. - I will abide by the draw
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Just waiting on your ready Britain
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Please respond to my PM, Ukraine, and I will.
08 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Will be interesting to see.
09 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: Oops on me....missed Istan connects to Greece on this one.
09 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: I don't see anything interesting to see. It will turn out as predicted, i am no longer surprised about the bad decisions of other players. GG, Bye.
09 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: I am only curious if there was some word that could had persuaded Turkey or Egypt to prevent their autodestruction. Seems to me, some people just have prejudge thoughts and there is no way around it. To think that your neighbor is irrelevant is one of the worst arguments i had seen, but i believe you were thinking that, Egypt. I just wonder if there was any chance some word could had change your mind?.
09 Jan 17 UTC Autumn, 2003: At least egypt not arrogant like brits. Nothing like a poor winner to keep a game from being fun ... it's called 'diplomacy' britain
09 Jan 17 UTC My draw vote is up - I think Poland should survive
09 Jan 17 UTC Also Britain - next time you suggest we whittle down Spain and Egypt - you might want to actually act on it, instead of goading me them flipping.
09 Jan 17 UTC Now this is funny. GG
10 Jan 17 UTC Ukraine - I appreciate the offer to include me in a draw - I wish it had gone differently of course, but well fought sir. I accept on behalf of the people of Poland.
10 Jan 17 UTC I'm ok with calling it.... I don't really feel that I tactically deserve a draw, but I stayed out of any real danger.
10 Jan 17 UTC I hope Britains draw as well.
10 Jan 17 UTC I've just been reacting to you, Ukraine. You've consistently moved more units than necessary towards my borders and taken territory that we had agreed was mine. If you'd respected our agreements, maybe I would have played differently.

I'll draw as well — well-played everyone. This was a fun game.
10 Jan 17 UTC Gg
10 Jan 17 UTC Well played folks. Look forward to the next one!
10 Jan 17 UTC GG
10 Jan 17 UTC I can tell you my own opinion now it's over- I think Egypt, Poland (inhis less schizo years) and Spain deserved some points- but Italy and Britain didn't deserve anything - as they both initiated nothing
10 Jan 17 UTC I disagree. I know there was a lot of England hate at the end of the game, but the truth was, France initiative an alliance between him England and myself, however he kept hamstringing us by making agreements with other nations without consultation... it came to a head when Egypt told me he had just joined my alliance, and I was already mobilized to attack him, so England and I said "F-It" and attacked France... this, really wound up hemming me in for most of the game, but England was in a far better position for success.
10 Jan 17 UTC Having his back side secure with a loyal ally, he had more freedom to be a little lose on the Eastern frontier.
10 Jan 17 UTC I wish people didn't forget Germany so easy. He was a good guy. ^^
10 Jan 17 UTC Thanks for the support Spain. I enjoyed working with you throughout the game.

Ukraine, the game is diplomacy. It requires an element of subterfuge. Just because you didn't notice doesn't mean that my negotiations didn't bear fruit.

And sometime the way to move forward is to play the back hand rather than take the lead on everything. The reason France fell was because he overplayed his hand.
10 Jan 17 UTC But actually most players live on their own world.

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