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Finished: 02 PM Sat 24 Dec 16 UTC
Empire Small Pot
1 day /phase
Pot: 80 D - Spring, 2018, Finished
Fall of the American Empire IV, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
02 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2009: Interesting that Florida can like always predict my moves. Or he has no life and analyzes every possibility.
02 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2009: Or Florida is a chess player used to these sort of analyses.
02 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2009: Next game I'd love to get lucky and be Peru. I just love the natural defenses.
02 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2009: Nah you just have no life and lie. And work with bipolar New York who misses turns. lol what a joke
03 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2010: Stupid New York steals my supply center then doesn't build a unit. You're a joke, New York.
05 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2010: Waiting on you, Cali
05 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2010: In case no one else realized it, Florida has 15 supply centers. The next closest is 10...this is highway robbery
05 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2011: If everyone agrees to head South to take out Peru, I'll agree to a 4-way draw between California, NY, Quebec and Florida.
06 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2011: I'm offended.
06 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2011: Sorry mate. But that is the price for your aggression
06 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2011: Just to clarify: he's doing this solely because i took Nicaragua. That *one* center is making him prolong this.
06 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2011: Or it's because he's no where near Cali, and only half of Quebec's units are over there, so he doesn't want to be bothered to move all the way over there.
06 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2011: And Quebec, NY, and Florida are allied lol
06 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2011: You what, Florida? My aggression? You attacked me, friendo. I offered to continue the alliance I had begun with the original Florida, you failed to respond and instead fired the first shot.
06 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: Considering he told me that's why, I'm a solid 99% sure you are wrong.
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: I highly doubt he's that upset about a supply center he shouldn't have even had, but alright
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: See ya guys. It was fun. Except for ignorance on the parts of California and Peru. Oh well. Good luck to everyone
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: It's his word against yours, but I'm too stupid and ignorant to realize how much of an amazing strategist and just all-around nice person you are. So please, ignore my completely uneducated remarks about reading
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: When you have a chance to spawn a unit in the middle of a fight, you normally do it. Especially when that should've been my supply center anyways. All it would've cost you was your army that you haven't used all game anyways. That ignorance has probably contributed to your constant losing; you should probably find a new game. Enjoy getting killed. Again. Peace out
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: I am used to N vs S, E vs W alliances. When I came in, alliances were all over the place, and no way anyone would have made much progress except Texas. So, I deliberately chose not to ally with TX. Cuba lost out because he threatened and did carry out an alliance with TX because I mistakenly took his SC, which I offered to give up on my own terms but was refused.
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: Correct. But the terms involved attacking an ally, Peru. Which I wasn't a fan of. But now I wish I chose otherwise considering how Peru has acted
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: I'm on defense until they draw. I will need that army. You were going to die even if i did give it up. Sorry for not pandering to your every request likr a lost puppy
07 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2011: Also, if you had to spawn a unit into a fight, you've already lost.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2012: That's blatantly untrue, a fight can EASILY hinge on a single unit.
09 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2012: Then I await your return with your single, gallant unit.

My point was if you are spawning into battle, you're both limited in numbers and surrounded. A single unit can change a battle, but a single unit cannot win a war.
10 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: "Then I await your return with your single, gallant unit."
What an incredible misunderstanding of what I said.
a. you're not necessarily surrounded.
b. you're not necessarily outnumbered.
c. you should probably make your point known in your message so that it comes across. Because what you now claim your point was is absolutely not what you actually said. And no, a single unit cannot win a war on its own, but gaining a unit, and being able to put it into action immediately, when you have other units as well, can be the difference between winning and losing the entire game.
10 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: In what situation would you create a unit into battle without those things occurring? Now look at Cuba: outnumbered and surrounded, and wanted me to give up land so he could create a fleet. Do you think that fleet would've made a difference?

And I am making my point perfectly clear: if you're spawning into battle, you're losing. I'm sorry I had to explain why, because it's really just common sense. Spawn into battle = someone is right next to your main base. You don't get to someone's main base without having some advantage over them (outnumbered or surrounded).
10 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: The biggest example is betrayal by an ally. New York could walk into one of my home supply centers within a year, but I wouldn't be that outnumbered or surrounded. Disadvantaged for sure. In Cuba's case, he was definitely surrounded and outnumbered.
10 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: I wouldn't say surrounded...Peru had my southern border protected
10 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: *southern bodies of water
11 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: If you're fighting Cali, and NY betrays you, aren't you surrounded?
11 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: My home centers wouldn't be surrounded, which is what I thought the point was. But currently I'm not hostile with California anyways.
11 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: Please reread. Troops at your base means you're surrounded. Not being surrounded means they're at your base.
11 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: Reread. I'll have to agree to disagree with you on this one.
11 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: I agree with Quebec, Peru is not making sense here. Just because your home supply centers are threatened does not mean you're outnumbered, nor does it mean you're surrounded. That's a completely insane proposition. It CAN be true, but your home SCs being threatened does NOT mean that in 100% of cases. Nor even in a majority of cases, I'd say. Quebec has home SCs on the border with New York. Technically New York State 'threatens' in game terms (like two pawns diagonally adjacent 'threaten' each other in chess) a Quebec home SC. New York State could take it. New York does not have Quebec surrounded.
11 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2013: Sorry, I thought Ontario was a Quebec home SC, but it's next to one. In any case, consider the above argument to be "if Ontario was a Quebec home SC."
11 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: I already adressed that.
11 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: Is this a joke? Like "Hey, haha, we're all ganging up on Peru. Let's call him a dumbass while we do it."
11 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: Sorry. I'm sick and a bit moody. Sorry.
11 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: That wasn't me for 9 years....
11 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2013: *was
14 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2014: Alright, I'm done. This just isn't worth it. I'm just holding from now on, so hurry up and finish it.
15 Dec 16 UTC Spring, 2015: Those 4 extra points! Totally worth an extra 10 days.
20 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2016: We done yet? I don't want to see this game ever again
22 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2017: You mad bro?
22 Dec 16 UTC Autumn, 2017: Yes
22 Dec 16 UTC I just voted for a Draw. Let's end this.
23 Dec 16 UTC Me too, a while a go, just waiting for NY and Quebec..
23 Dec 16 UTC Could've ended 20 turns ago
23 Dec 16 UTC there we go

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Florida
nkalagu (0 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 0 D, won: 20 D
24 supply-centers, 24 units
New-York
Fylkir (146 D)
Drawn. Bet: 8 D, won: 20 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
California
TomL85 (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 8 D, won: 20 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Quebec
DiploMatt (144 D)
Drawn. Bet: 8 D, won: 20 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
Cuba
WolfpackCorey (1654 D)
Defeated. Bet: 8 D
Heartland
Garagenpunk (827 D)
Defeated. Bet: 8 D
British-Columbia
Eadan (454 D)
Defeated. Bet: 8 D
Peru
CBMet (103 D)
Defeated. Bet: 8 D
Mexico
Ertern (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 8 D
Texas
Saria (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 8 D
Civil Disorders
Magnus Chase (94 D X)Florida (Spring, 2002) with 6 centres.
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