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Finished: 01 PM Tue 05 Apr 16 UTC
Private kasi invitational 2
2 days /phase
Pot: 175 D - Autumn, 1909, Finished
Classic, No messaging, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by kasimax (243 D)
03 Apr 16 UTC Really would've expected from experienced players to know how to stop a solo. That was some disappointing crap right there
03 Apr 16 UTC Who and what are you referring to Vecna? England attacked me early on, and brought me down, and you attacked England, and meanwhile lost you ground vs Germany. That paved ground for Germany running for a solo.
03 Apr 16 UTC ^^
03 Apr 16 UTC ^^
03 Apr 16 UTC anyway, thank you all for the game!
03 Apr 16 UTC england turned on me together with germany, only way I could survive was to take out england.

However I really dont get why italy kept attacking turkey, why that fleet in sevastopol remained and noone was concerned with any stalemate line whatsoever.

I set it up perfectly to keep that line at spain and portugal, but there was 0 assistance anywhere on the map.
03 Apr 16 UTC Thats a bit critical france. Germany had no fleets to invade me. So why cant i move on turkey. I was hoping to build up a fleet to block the med off or atleast pie, tus, tyr and tunis with ionian and nap for support.
03 Apr 16 UTC Congrats germany
03 Apr 16 UTC I'm with Vecna, only slightly less vitriolic because I wasn't the one being wiped off the map. I clicked Draw the moment a German Solo became a guaranteed event if *all* powers didn't turn around and form a stalemate line. If I recall correctly that was Fall 1905, possibly earlier.

I spent the rest of the game being as clear as possible with my units and draw flag that I would be happy to sit in my corner and not try to eat dots, until the last season when kasimax had a clear guaranteed 18SCs.

Well played, by the way, kasimax, no doubt you made best advantage of the conditions. :-)

Aha195: count to 18SCs. Germany never needed any of your SCs to get to 18... But he *could* have been stopped at 16/17 SCs with your help. And as I said above, that was obvious on the board in 1905/1906. This is gunboat - nobody can persuade you to join the stalemate alliance - but if you can't work it out, you're going to keep losing to solos and wondering why.
03 Apr 16 UTC i don't think that iberia made a difference - i would never have gotten tunis. what led to my victory was the fight between austria and russia. if austria had a unit in galicia in 08, i wouldn't have won.
03 Apr 16 UTC Hm, yes, that's true. I think Italy futilely flailing on my front door contributed though. I mean - yeah, it's possible to get in on Turkey as Italy without significant Austrian h Lo, but really, not very likely.

If I'd had zero pressure I could probably have helped eliminate Russia... But even then probably not. :-) I guess mainly people just don't like 6WDs.
03 Apr 16 UTC "help" not "h Lo".
04 Apr 16 UTC Thats quite biased turkey. As germany said the problem was austria and russia in fighting. All i needed to do was hold tunis and if possible wipe you out so the board would get more points.tunis could have been held even if i didnt get to wipe you as i would have shored up my defenses in the west long before germany got their fleet down in time. There would also be enough time for your fleet to move to ionian to shore up the defense. In fact by attacking you turkey i prevent you attacking austria which let austria focus on germany, was my thinking. Plus i was expecting that austria would support me which never happened. A tap to con and it wouldnt have been good game for your or even a support. Though i am guessing austria was paranoid that i would stab him which made no sense in the late game
04 Apr 16 UTC That is kind of the problem with having the Italian units all around the south there, though, especially in gunboat, especially when a solo is obviously on the board. It's not like you weren't half defending against Austrian stabs either.

The only way to be sure someone will think you won't stab them is to have your units in a position where you basically *can't* stab them. Of course, that means risking they might stab you... but if it's really stop the solo time, that hardly matters, does it?

Ultimately, you're right that you weren't directly at fault though, and really, people just don't like 6WDs, so they still try to cut countries out even if that strongly risks solos. Ah well. :-)

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Germany
kasimax (243 D)
Won. Bet: 25 D, won: 175 D
18 supply-centers, 14 units
Austria
Survived. Bet: 25 D
7 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
aha195 (1687 D)
Survived. Bet: 25 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Turkey
thorfi (1023 D)
Survived. Bet: 25 D
4 supply-centers, 3 units
Russia
Perry6006 (5409 D)
Survived. Bet: 25 D
1 supply-centers, 2 units
France
Vecna (890 D)
Survived. Bet: 25 D
0 supply-centers, 2 units
England
SunRa (1104 D)
Defeated. Bet: 25 D
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