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Finished: 02 AM Tue 12 Jan 16 UTC
1 day /phase
Pot: 100 D - Autumn, 7, Finished
The Ancient Mediterranean, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
06 Jan 16 UTC Autumn, 6: In private communication with me, Egypt has proposed a three-way draw with Rome. I've looked closely at the board and agree. Egypt can share his own thoughts, but here are mine:

* Any two of us can ultimately defeat the third.

* The fleet placement in the south with Egypt is positioned for a holding action against Rome, but breakthrough will be very slow, even if we stipulate Greek support. This gives Egypt a legit reason to consider turning against Greece. Simultaneously, Rome builds close to Greece and far from Egypt. Though trust would be harder to build between Greece and Rome given Greece's recent stab, the tactical ground recently gained gives Greece a lot to offer Rome to arrange that alliance if Greece seeks to establish that two-way alliance.

* We are in a position where this can be done without anyone feeling at risk. Carthage (sorry) can be removed by Rome alone in the spring. Our builds can still be made aggressively, and we can agree to a bouncing arrangement that won't put anyone at risk if someone decides not to draw. Really the only "give" we have to have to make this work is allowing Cirta to be destroyed in the spring. (A combative strategy would have Phaz s Cirta just to slow Rome up while more land units are brought in.) We could even mitigate that by allowing the elimination to happen from Egypt as the power with the fewest units, but Rome would no doubt mistrust that suggestion coming from me as, if the alliance is still strong, it could be an interested request on my part. I'm willing to agree to three-way draw whomever takes Cirta.

So... this make sense to me. I formally propose that we agree to a three way draw after eliminating Carthage in the spring. If everyone agrees here, let's be open here about our spring moves and have them consist of state-maintaining bounces and standoffs rather than positioning on the assumption of a fight. Breaking those public promises should be regarded as a willingness to go against the other two. :-)

What do you all think?
06 Jan 16 UTC Autumn, 6: I agree.
06 Jan 16 UTC Autumn, 6: No problem, I only came in to help keep it interesting. :)
06 Jan 16 UTC Autumn, 6: Thanks, Carthage!

And I'm glad to hear it, Rome. Egypt, so far Rome only has my word for it. You should confirm here.
06 Jan 16 UTC Autumn, 6: Screw you Greece!
07 Jan 16 UTC Autumn, 6: Well, with respect to that, the Greeks and Romans certainly knew how to get about it. In the new world order, we'll share and spread our wonders, and perhaps help the people of the Ancient Med to RELAX a bit.
07 Jan 16 UTC Autumn, 6: Oh, and Egypt has Cleopatra! I think I'm going to like the new world order! :-)
08 Jan 16 UTC Spring, 7: Could you guys start offering moves and move requests? I'm tied up with work and kids and can't plan it all out right now. I'm on board and will be around at least four or five ours before adjudication, but with 10 hours left, it would be good if someone is mapping it out.
09 Jan 16 UTC Spring, 7: I think there is no poi.nt to plan something. We agreed 3-way draw. So I will not attack Your or Egypt units
09 Jan 16 UTC Spring, 7: Indeed
09 Jan 16 UTC A 3-way draw on this map is weak. Fight to the death wimps!
09 Jan 16 UTC Everyone agree 3-way hold then. Cool with me.
10 Jan 16 UTC Ready, Egypt?
10 Jan 16 UTC i voted for draw, GG
10 Jan 16 UTC GG All!

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