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Finished: 09 PM Sat 12 Mar 16 UTC
Featured Diplomaniacs
1 day, 12 hours /phase
Pot: 744 D - Spring, 2021, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring, Hidden draw votes
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
29 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1994: Hello everybody. I wish you all good luck and good game.
29 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1994: Good luck!
29 Nov 15 UTC Spring, 1994: Have fun one and all.
02 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1994: Italy, you sure are popular. Three different people supported your moves!
02 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1994: I've got friends in high places, what can I say?
03 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: We now appear to have 2 non-active countries. At what point does this become a cancel?
03 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: Who else is non-active? I just see Egypt.
03 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: He is referring to Russia not building a fleet at Rostov to make it a full-house at the Black Sea.
03 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: Well, unfortunately my experience is that you are going to cancel any game if players become inactive. So i guess the rest of the players will continue. It will be fine and the surrounding countries may call themselves lucky.
03 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: I totally agree, Spain!
03 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: Maybe it was just a missed turn, but if Russia is really out of the game, then I do think a cancel is appropriate. That would be two inactives on the same side of the board.
03 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: Russia isn't listed as missing the last phase, though, which is interesting.

Russia, please confirm you are still in the game.
03 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: Is the builds considered a "phase"? Might not show up until you miss a Spring or Autumn.
04 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: Neither was Egypt considered to have missed the first phase. I recall reading in the forum something about it only being properly considered an NMR if the player doesn't even bother to open the game. Which equals saying someone can technically not enter orders at all several times and do don't CD.

Anyway, if Russia ends up missing phases, given that Egypt was never present, I think we should either draw (so that they get a CD in their records) or cancel.
04 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1995: Or not. I just remembering I once played a very exciting crappy modern in which basically everyone NMR'd at some point (to the extend I gave it so little importance I NMR'd myself and lost great opportunities), but it ended up being interesting anyway.
05 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1995: Russia missed the phase. I guess we are going to cancel. I did have high hopes for this game since it had a higher stake than the one you normally see. Just surprised that it being a lot of points, people did still miss phases. Anyway, it was exciting, and i had a hard position, so i am ok with whatever all you decide. Cancel?.
05 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1995: Well, we just got a new Egypt it looks like.
08 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1996: Hi all I'm the new owner of Russia.
18 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: sorry turkey and italy. i really had make so many mistakes, i overreact and misjudge, besides no settling with one strategy, which is an important thing. Sometimes you win sometimes you just get a lesson. I wish i had been more cold temper. Still good lesson.

From now on, i will attempt to survive, if possible, that would be ok, if not, then it was a good match.

This also means that i am up to give any favor without asking anything exchange.
20 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1997: Will be traveling over the next few days. Shouldn't have trouble getting orders in on a 36 hour time scale, but may be intermittent in communication.
21 Dec 15 UTC Spring, 1998: I recognize defeat when I see it. I would like to live in exile on the island of Saint Helena. Good game. That is all.
24 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: Christmas is coming.
25 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: I know my move out of Poland is an unreasonable one. But is christmas, and i would like this opportunity and time to remind you all of something that happened on world war one. The christmas truce at the trenches on 1914. The soldiers decided, on christmas, move out of the trenches, and play a football game, chat and exchange gifts, and just hang around, was an incredible thing considering their were fighting all the time for weeks. It is an interesting event that i just wanted to share it out. Happy christmas to all.
25 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: Actually my move was out of undecidedness, but well, already moving, i would share this as well. Besides its happy time, and that event is worth sharing. Something good can always happen.
25 Dec 15 UTC Autumn, 1998: Might be the first time something good has happened for Poland.
04 Jan 16 UTC Spring, 2000: I may as well give up my lands to Poland. I felt that since my earlier mistakes i didn't have a chance. Besides of all my neighbors Poland had been the friendliest, Turkey goes second, and last place to Italy. I feel like despite personalities, maybe my way to go would had been better if i betrayed Poland earlier and push north rather than south, but i am not sure how loyal Turkey would be if i choosed that plan. Still it was chaotic for me from the beginning, and Italy only knew to ask and give nothing in return. Is hard to make diplomacy. Also with Russia was all lies from the beginning, with both of them. Still i did indeed make mistakes, nontheless it was an enjoyable game, very adverse. I blame Egypt a little bit, but i guess the biggest mistakes were mine. Anyway, well played everyone. I may be doing my last moves, so i am just chatting around just to chill out.
04 Jan 16 UTC Spring, 2000: I apologize for being out of touch... currently on a family vacation.
04 Jan 16 UTC Spring, 2000: Last time Ukraine sent this message (to me) he used it as a set up to stab me and take two of my centers.
27 Jan 16 UTC Spring, 2004: think this will end in a three way draw, or will someone want to push for more?
05 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2006: It does seem no one will push for more. I just wonder, though, whether it wouldn't be more just to have me as the third part in the draw, if Turkey keeps NMRing.
06 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2006: Really...
08 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: That will not happen I'm afraid
08 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: That's utterly ridiculous. We could survive through the game being unbalanced from year one, thanks to Egypt not existing, but then Turkey, who had an easy ride thanks to the abovementioned CD, decides to NMR not once, but several times, precisely when he had become a solo threat!

Trust me, if Turkey had not given up on the game, I would have had a very solid chance of forcing myself into the draw, as I've done countless times in Classic. This resulting scenario is absolutely pathetic.
09 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: Boo hoo
09 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: Britain please stop. You have only 2 sc left so it's not gonna happen. You don't deserve it.
09 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: I might not deserve it in this game, as my own performance was unremarkable, but I certainly deserve it a lot more than someone whose merit was essentially to take advantage of its nemesis CD at the very first year and yet fails to enter orders on a regular basis, thus jeopardizing the whole game in the end.

If you think the three of you played brilliant games which entitle you to behave so arrogantly towards someone righteously outraged with Turkey's startling lack of commitment, you're delirious. Firstly for believing great performances could possibly entitle you to such, and secondly for thinking yours were somehow noteworthy.
09 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: It's about ethics in journalism.
10 Feb 16 UTC Autumn, 2006: Not that it matters since I'm out of the game, but I do think it would be reasonable at this point for Spain and Poland to knock out Turkey before voting a draw. Of course it's gets dangerous because one or the other could try to stab for the extra center right at the end and take the solo.
12 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2007: A new Turkey has appeared, I will not NMR
25 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2011: who is vetoing the draw here?
26 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2011: As you can see, Turkeys bet is 0. So we are not gonna draw with him because that will be a very easy way for him to gain points. So when Turkey is gone, Spain and I will end this game together.
26 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2011: The only teason for not drawing is apparently that I took over a Civil disorder and that is in Austria's view a horrible thing to do
Still, I will fight as long as I can, I will not delay and maybe Spain or Austria tries a solo
26 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2011: I have fought for several years, but it is hard with a quarter of the units against three quarters
But it is their perogative to kill me first and then draw.
Apparently it is a dishrace to take over a Civil disorder, only punishable by death. But so be it. I would think it is more fun to play against a real player in stead of units just holding
26 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2011: I just practice my defending skills and enjoy the tactics.
26 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2011: My apologies for misstating: Austria should be read as Poland
26 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2011: I don't have a horse in this race, but it's pretty petty of you guys to not want to draw with Turkey *just* because he didn't have to ante up as much for taking over a CD. Like he said, it's a lot more fun to play against someone else than to just let the CD countries sit there.

Furthermore, Turkey's done a pretty good job since taking over. I understand if you guys had an agreement to go for the two-way draw, but if the only reason you don't want to draw with him is because his ante came from the player who CDd and not current Turkey, that's pretty petty. The game shouldn't be about the meta points, it should be about what's happening on the board.
26 Feb 16 UTC Spring, 2011: I have no problem with not wanting to split a draw three ways, for whatever reason. But it gets dangerous trying to split things three ways, because the closer you get to knocking the third player out, the easier and more tempting it becomes for one player to make a quick stab and solo.

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Rennske (546 D)
Drawn. Bet: 70 D, won: 372 D
32 supply-centers, 32 units
Drawn. Bet: 70 D, won: 372 D
32 supply-centers, 32 units
Defeated. Bet: 70 D
Defeated. Bet: 20 D
vozzol (372 D)
Defeated. Bet: 70 D
Heffomite (1035 D)
Defeated. Bet: 70 D
Defeated. Bet: 70 D
Wozzi (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 24 D
ksako8 (1433 D)
Defeated. Bet: 0 D
Defeated. Bet: 70 D
Civil Disorders
Barn3tt (41969 D)Turkey (Autumn, 2006) with 19 centres.
bringerofwealth (322 D)Russia (Autumn, 1995) with 4 centres.
Autokratos (130 D)Egypt (Spring, 1995) with 3 centres.
Wozzi (100 D)Russia (Spring, 1998) with 1 centres.
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