Finished: 10 AM Wed 07 Oct 15 UTC
King Mackerel
1 day, 1 hours /phase
Pot: 350 D - Spring, 1911, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
07 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Nothing worse than poor sports.
07 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Extremely weak. Please vote cancel.
07 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: why cancel?
he's got his moves in
I don't think he's actually quitting, he's just throwing a temper tantrum
08 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: He's just said all his moves are holds - he's certainly quitting. I hate games like this.

I'll do what everyone wants, but the game is terribly compromised.
08 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: tell you what
to even things out, maybe you should just order holds this year ;-)
08 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Sorry I guess I lied about ignoring the press to respond to this too-tempting gem --
yes England, "Nothing worse than poor sports". War, famine, poverty -- all better in the grand scheme of things than "poor sports" in an online game. :)
08 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: The funny thing is I was making a coment inside the context of a game. But your point really brought to light that there may be a connection between people behaving childish and horrible things like war and poverty. Hmmm, thanks for the insight.
08 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: I was trolling you but that response was legit dumb.
08 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Riiiight.
HIS response was dumb.
08 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1902: Thanks for the agreement!
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Should Russian metagaming continue, we should consider contacting mods. This is no way to play a serious diplomacy game.

In the meantime, I strongly urge everyone to vote cancel. The other option is to eliminate Russia as quickly as possible and draw.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: France, what are you whining about?
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: 2. No Meta-gaming

You cannot play a public game with players that you know outside of the site. In doing so, you create an unfair environment for other players by giving yourself the opportunity to form alliances for reasons outside the game. This includes playing public games with family, friends, relatives, coworkers, or even joining a game with any player of a previous game with a predetermined intent to ally with or attack certain players. Additionally, you cannot make deals based on any factors outside of the game.

Because Diplomacy is a social game, we always encourage playing with friends. However, you should always do so in a private, password-protected game and make sure that every player knows about any real life connections before the game begins.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Learn the rulebook before whining. Also, seriously? You're doing the best right now.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: That copy/paste job made it hard to read, so point was France is whining that I'm metagaming (when he's winning I should point out) and he clearly doesn't understand what that means.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: I'm fine voting cancel, but until France whined about it I didn't think anybody would want that.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Russia is absolutely correct. My use of meta-gaming here was incorrect. I guess I am more worried about his playing from a "why do we play this game" standpoint.

Threatening to quit. Ordering all holds. Acting as if he is in CD, but saving little venomous acts for those he feels have wronged him. This adds an element to the game that is unpalatable to say the least.

I beg of you all that we eliminate this scourge and end the game. It doesn't matter who is winning and who is losing. Playing a game under these conditions is profoundly unsatisfying. Also, I would like to see who the Russian player is so I can avoid encountering him in the future. An elimination of Russia followed by a draw would accomplish that aim.

We can do all planning in Global chat.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Just so everyone is aware

All accusations against other players must be made directly to the mod/admin team directly as specified below, in private, for this reason, and software bug claims must be genuine, even if only told to another player. Avoid making cheating accusations in game, via pm, or on the forum.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Can I point out the irony that everyone got upset when I ordered all holds and now people are upset that I'm actually putting in orders.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: As you can see from my above post, I am not accusing you of cheating. Just of being a very poor competitor and one who tends to infect othewise good games with problems. Kind of like the spoiled rich kid who takes his ball and goes home when he doesn't get his way.

I resisted getting into invective until now, but I respect someone who goes into CD more than someone who does essentially that in terms of moves and then makes the retreat you did. That was elemental poor sportsmanship.

No one wants to read this crap anymore, so let's just eliminate Russia, draw and move on.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: France, mute me if you want to. Then you don't have to read my "crap" anymore. And you claimed that the game was "terribly compromised" when I said I was CD'ing. Now you're upset that I'm not CD'ing. How is lying "elemental poor sportsmanship"? When everyone else did it to me and I got incredibly pissed off I was told lying was part of the game.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: I never mute anyone Russia.

You can spend your time trying to rationalize what you've done, or you can sit back and do a little introspection. We all make mistakes, Russia. If this is the way you approach every setback, you will turn into a shrill and unpleasant person unlikely to fully enjoy the joy present in this world.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Okay, France. I love the sheer volume of obnoxious judgment laced in your message. It's a GAME. Does nobody understand that? Not everything in life is connected. Maybe, just maybe, I'm playing this game far more obnoxiously than usual because I got burned bad, and maybe, and I know this is crazy, the way I play this GAME has nothing to do with life. But what do I know? You clearly know that lessons gained from GAMEs play a large role in determining what kind of a person you are and how much joy you gain from life.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: I'd be fine with eliminating Russia and then calling a draw for the rest of us

I'd rather that than cancel
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Actually, I'd rather that as well. Austria should be able to dispatch Serbia right away. If Germany can take out Warsaw, Turkey Moscow, and England St. Pete, we can end this nastiness and maybe organize a new game. I'd be happy to set one up with the rest of you and send out passwords. I'm sure I can find a replacement for Russia.

What do you say Italy, England and Turkey? It appears Austria and Germany are on board.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: I've started a new game: gameID=167211.

After we are able to bring this game to a quick and easy conclusion, I'll PM you with the password.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Hang on. When did this become an option?

It would be nice to continue playing, but perhaps I'm biased.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Turkey, quick summary for you. France accused me of cheating and/or of ruining the game and is now trying to convince everyone to kill me and then vote to draw.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: I feel for you Turkey. You'll have to read through reams of nonsense to see what's going on.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: If you skip the blue text you'll be fine ;)
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Wait...if you're still playing Russia, shouldn't we just continue?
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: He's not really playing. He declared his intention to quit earlier, orders his units to hold in the manner of a NMR, and then does little nasty vindictive things like ordering a retreat to Serbia. Part of the reason you were able to move north is because he isn't playing in the normal sense of the word.

Really, this game is out of hand. Let's eliminate this jackass and move on. With any luck, he'll eventually take the criticism to heart and be all the better for it, but for now the adjective fits.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Nope. Turkey would have been able to take Sev no matter what. If I order Rum SH Sev, Rum support would have been cut.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Jackass isn't an adjective...but sweet insult otherwise.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Stupid is an adjective. Go with that next time.
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: *label

And if anyone thought it didn't fit before....
09 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Don't get mad at me because you don't know what an adjective is. Seems pretty rude of you.
22 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Bye Germany and Russia.
22 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Glad to be rid of this awful game (and I'm sure you all will say the same thing about me)
22 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Lol. England stabbed France.
04 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: Bye France and Turkey
05 Oct 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: Thanks everyone. Not the most pleasant game, but there were a few good players I enjoyed competing against.
05 Oct 15 UTC How about a Draw England? This has been a competitive game!
05 Oct 15 UTC So who wasn't a good player, lol?
05 Oct 15 UTC So who wasn't a good player, lol?
05 Oct 15 UTC Me.
06 Oct 15 UTC Time to draw?
06 Oct 15 UTC England, there's no where to go. Vote Draw please.
06 Oct 15 UTC Austria, thanks for stating with me for the entire game! You play like me with regard to alliances. I rarely break them, settling for Draws, but that strategy has served me.well.
06 Oct 15 UTC I could have devided you with England for a two-way split. But I don't care much what kind of draw I get when I cannot win.

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