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Finished: 06 AM Sun 13 Sep 15 UTC
[Diplomacy]
1 day /phase
Pot: 79 D - Autumn, 1914, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by vonotar (86 D)
28 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 1901: good luck all. will moves take place when everyone has submitted orders?
28 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 1901: Yes
30 Jul 15 UTC Autumn, 1901: is there any reason why this game is not moving forward? I cant get my head around when the deadlines are....
30 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 1902: As long as everyone registers a move and hits 'ready' it will move ahead. 'Save' will stall until the clock runs out.
30 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 1902: press save pls
31 Jul 15 UTC Spring, 1902: Ready move it ahead. Save will not... Only do save if you want each turn to take the max time per round. I'm fine either way if some want it slower.
03 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1903: Why is Russia voting "Cancel"?
03 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: why not?
03 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Russia.. can you support your army in warsavia?
03 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: why?
04 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: yes or no?
04 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: why?
04 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: because i prefer russia then italy
05 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1903: Question to all - are we allowed to use this message forum to communicate with other powers. Germany/Russia being the example?
05 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Of course. That's kind of the point of the public-message only system. :)
05 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1904: I'm on my death bed and will not make it another year, so if anyone wants me to help them before I die, I'm totally up for it
05 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Austria - can you help me hold London please?
05 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Hey - I like this open forum method of communication.....
05 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Help by hitting Italy! He's getting too big! I'll lay off you if you do. :)
06 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1904: Remember, 'Ready' advances the game. 'Save' saves moves but doesn't move the game forward any faster...
09 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1905: With the demise of Austria and Russia, the shift of power is very much in favour of our friend in Turkey. The onus is now very much on you Italy, to stand strong against the massed Turkish fleets due to head your way. Fold and a Turkish solo victory is very much the result. Can I strongly suggest that France and Italy withdraw from current hostile posturing, and immediately agree to DMZ the waters of GoL and WMS.
10 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1905: Italy, don't let France persuade you so easily. He is virtually equal in size to you and I! He just evicted you from Marseilles... If you look east and leave him free in the west to roll Germany, HE will have the easy solo victory.
10 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1905: I'm seeing lots of black check marks... Remember, "Ready" moves the game forward faster. "Save" keeps us stalled on the clock and drags the moves out. :)
10 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1905: Turkey puts up a spirited argument - but one that I believe is flawed on two points. Firstly, notwithstanding any growth opportunities open to myself , the fact is that unless Italy stands firm against the Turkish invasion, there will shortly be no green centres on the map. France does not have the mean to pose such a threat.

Secondly, I would argue that Germany will not be thinking of removing the blockade that has been set on the Bur/Mun border anytime soon. French expansion into Germany is a far removed proposition. In fact Italian forces in Tyr and Boh would be far more dangerous to Germany than any French attack.
10 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1905: And if France has little/no advance potential into German territory, then it must invade Italy (once it completes its inevitable conquest of the British Isles).

I could offer Italy a truce/alliance allowing him to focus on the French threat (maybe even WITH Germany)... Then we could have a fairly equal, three-way draw to split the pot on this game amongst a German/Italian/Turkish trio... What would Italian and German powers say to such an offer?

Nothing personal, France. But you're right! The open forum does change the negotiations a bit, and you dropped the gauntlet first. :)
10 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1905: lol - no personal slight taken Turkey. Whilst I personally prefer the closed communication games, this one is interesting in that it does allow you to see what others are up to!

A three way G/I/T (now there is an appropriate acronym!) proposal! Hmmm...will Italy be brave enough to go along with it. It certainly puts him as junior partner, with powers to the north and south of him.

Let me make a counter proposal. A two way I/F draw. France to move East (sorry Germany, looks like we are set for a prolonged battle) and North and Italy to move East and South. Lets see where that takes us?
11 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1905: Thank you Italy ;-)
14 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: If many more turns are missed by others, anyone up for a potentiL draw?
14 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: I think it is understandable that both England and Russia have withdrawn, since they are defeated. Germany is a surprise. I agree tat if Germany does not reappear, it gives me a slight advantage. I would therefore agree a draw. However, I think Italy has built a very strong front and could advance into your centres Turkey (even turn back on me), so I think the deciding vote has to be with Italy.
14 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Agreed. I'm not ready to vote on it, yet. Just throwing it out there. :)
15 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: it would be a long battle against turkey but i think i could win it... but if you guys want to vote a draw thats fine by me :)
15 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1906: Germany is back so I think the game progresses a while yet.
16 Aug 15 UTC Spring, 1907: Dang it, I missed a few turns and all of a sudden I now only have one unit.
29 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: France is not dead yet! The Germans seem to be dominating this game. Who's going to help me destroy them?
29 Aug 15 UTC Autumn, 1910: It can't be Italy. He's overload his southern flank against me. His belly is exposed up north and west, though!
02 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Well, I don't see a choice but to make a worldwide alliance against Germany. I mean we only had two wars with that exact scenario. Just the SCs that I control are enough for him to win the game. And he's going to overrun me very quickly. How about you two stop squabbling in the Balkans and rip into his underbelly!
02 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: Germany is two SCs from victory.

Italy, you can keep pissing on me, or we can team against the big brown turd to the north! :) What do you say?
02 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: ok lets try to stop him than
02 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1911: I hope we make an epic comeback. I'll commit now to drawing as soon as Germany is out.
03 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1912: its not like turkey has much to offer... he only has fleets so he only can attack me, Italy???
03 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1912: There's still Sevastopol.
04 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1912: I literally can't even believe the stupidity of what I'm seeing. Support holding against each other? Paris or Brest is going to fall right now and everything else falls like dominos. I picked up a losing game thinking surely no one could possibly fight each other in the face of Germany. I figured I'd get an easy draw. This is like watching actual world leaders. No wonder the Nazis got as far as they did before anyone stopped them. *drops mic*
04 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1912: Clearly you are superior and way more intelligent than us, Mr. Mic Dropper. Take your indignant self elsewhere...

There's a history of backstabbing in this game. We needed a "trust" turn before committing...
04 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1912: there is just no way we can invade germany... turkeys only option is to attack sevastopol with one fleet... it would take minimum a year before he can get an other fleet to armenia... and the case at the border germany-austria was 4v4, i didn't see a way in so a assumed it was better to hold than taking a risk on losing more SC, there wasn't a way where turkey and italy could help each other, we could communicate over the this channel, but i think that would made it pretty easy for germany... none the less it all fell to pieces when you missed your turn...
04 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1912: and btw, you could have attacked munich with burgundy...
04 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1912: well played germany!
04 Sep 15 UTC Autumn, 1912: I suppose you couldn't tell since it's an Anonymous game...I took over after the original France CDed.
11 Sep 15 UTC Spring, 1914: Especially now that France left (again), we can start saying "Good game!" to Germany... I can't take Sevastopol on my own which is the only chink in the German armor I could possibly make...

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Germany
vonotar (86 D)
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 46 D
21 supply-centers, 17 units
Italy
Driestruction (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 23 D
9 supply-centers, 8 units
Turkey
rbunnell3 (213 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 11 D
4 supply-centers, 5 units
France
LeonidasVader (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 9 D
0 supply-centers, 2 units
England
AK860501 (120 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Austria
Chinney97 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Russia
dizaster (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
betweentheblades (100 D)France (Spring, 1910) with 7 centres.
LeonidasVader (100 D)France (Autumn, 1913) with 4 centres.
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