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Finished: 02 AM Mon 07 Dec 09 UTC
Another 12 Hour game-3
12 hours /phase
Pot: 105 D - Spring, 1916, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
22 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1905: Is it only me , or do you guys also feel like this game has been played like a semi-gunboat one :)
Rather little communication, no?
Perhaps not so much to talk about when two people go CD. That does deteroriate the game ..
22 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1905: I've been talking a lot :D
22 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1905: I guess that is why I am in a bad position, and you in a good one :D
22 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1905: maybe ;)
22 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1905: Sometimes trying to play everyone against everyone it's not a good idea Perry :)
22 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1905: Heh, Im not sure I agree with that . :)
Though , I'm not quite sure what you are implying here. We both voiced equal concern regarding the Frenchman, when he was positioned in MAO, SPA, MAR (or something similar). Of course, if either of you or France are playing for a Solo here, you will end up fighting. Though I cannot know your intentions in this game, of course :)
24 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: I'll be taking out the Turk and the Austrian this season. Can we then agree to a 4-way draw?
24 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: No :)
24 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: Really? I'm not sure how France feels about that little move to the NAO...that sounds like a stab in T-minus 2 seasons.
24 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: That's his problem.
Are you french spokeman now?
24 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: Yeah taking out Turkey you lying, backstabbing, Russian. Don't agree to a draw, do whatever it takes to take Russia out. I would help but as this being my first game I didn't know peoples word was worthless.
24 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: lol
that was nice turkey :D
24 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: Hehe, well, if those are your last words...

By the way, England, you'll get to a stopping point.
24 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: Turkey, you messed up the game. Moving to Syria because you were bored. Sorry. That is the best I ever heard.
Good luck for the future. I hope you never stab anybody in your future life. ;-)
25 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: i didnt want to tell you i had an alliance you Russia you dolt. I was trying to not let it be known. I know that much about diplomacy at lease
25 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1906: you=with
27 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1908: Bur-Munich
Mar-PIe
Tyr s Mar-PIe
Gal s Boh-Vie
Boh-Vie
War s Gal
Mos s Ukr.
Do you see a spot of getting through the lines?
27 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1908: they want to draw already. Looking good for us
27 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1908: Naf to West?
27 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1908: Tun s Tyr-Ion or what do you think?
27 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1908: we have 20 to 12 units against them.
I think Italy will defend Rome. The south is our only chance to get through I think.
Are you convoing Lon to StP? ;-)
27 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1908: That old trick of "mistakingly" posting your suggested moves in Global is just so old ;)

But why on earth should we not want the Draw at this point? Wheter you know it or not, there is a stalemate line needing only 12 units, blocking an up to 24 center alliance , resulting in a forced Draw.
29 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1910: o.k. I think we should draw the game dear England. You stabbed me in Belgium and I would be willing to force the draw with Italy and Russia.
If you are o.k. with the draw please vote draw if not it might be harder for you I think
30 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1910: Well, shit...I guess England is going to build a win out of France's hide.
01 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1911: Either that, or they are playing for the 17-17.
Either way, the fate of this game is entirely in Englands hands now.
01 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1911: How long til England gives up for the draw?
01 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1911: And lets us use our points to play other, more productive games?

Seriously, I have 3 points.
01 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1911: Make a 3 points game to spend them, and then you will receive 100 new points ;)
01 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1911: Isn't it a minimum of 5? Plus, I would just have 0 until 100 points worth of games are done, I think
01 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1911: If it is 5, I don't know if you get 100....
01 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1911: If you get a defeat from a game - any game that you are playing - then you get refunded your entire Bet. So, if you get a defeat in this game , you get 15 D back. You do, however, not get bumped up to a 100 pts directly..

Dont know if I made sense theree...
02 Dec 09 UTC Spring, 1912: I'm not very satisfied with this endgame. I hope that these moves will turn that around. *proceeding with moves*
02 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: *rantmode on*
Well, I agree with Russia , insofar, as this endgame has been very unrewarding. England can take the win, but has chosen not to.

That means that you are not playing a WTA Diplomacy game, but 'Something Else'. That 'Something Else' might be ensuring cooperation in future games , 'rewarding' a loyal ally in this game, or something. I have no clue.

Right now, this behaviour is robbing me of time, and the satisfaction of a reasonable conclusion of the game , and it is depriving Russia of points. Are you playing for 17-17 , and why in that case? Silver Wolf, you've played a very good game throughout, you're in position to take a Win. What is stopping you?
*rantmode off*

Hmm... now I feel slightly better ;)
02 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: Future games? That is a serious accusation.
I play by honnor. If I say I will do a 17-17 draw, I will.
If you don't understand the "keep your word" behaviour, I can't do more.
02 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: England couldn't even get the 17-17 draw if he wanted. Looks like an 18-14-2 victory for France to me...
02 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: Basically, either France wins the game, or England stabs France for the solo win. France, do you like A or B?
02 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: In fact, I am retracting my draw so that even though I may only finish with Ank and Smy, I will ensure that France gets the solo win. So, England, either draw now or lose.
02 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: Lose? Me? :)
Are you serious?
02 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: I'ma try...
02 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1912: Well, Silver Wolf, I did mean to make it into a serious accusation. More like wanting to vent some frustration. You are an honorable guy, I would happily confirm that.

I do think you are playing with a somewhat 'PPSC mind' rather then 'WTA mind' though. To me, you play a WTA game in the manner that you intend to maximize your endgame result. If you can take a certain Solo, you should play for that solo. Different takes on the game, and although I think I have the 'right' viewpoint, I will surely be looking forward to play with you again, since I respect your skills as a diplomacy player.

This endgame here, however, seriously disappoints me, and has left us with a pointless excersie in futility. The stalemate line is lost a long time ago (when VIE went), so I hope we'll be done asap now.

See around guys
03 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1913: And the plot thickens...England forced to go for the stab. I knew you had it in ya.
03 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1913: you see stabs where they aren't :)
I allways moved to Vienna :)
03 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1913: Explain that to France then - why they're losing an SC, that is.
05 Dec 09 UTC Autumn, 1915: GG France
05 Dec 09 UTC thanks. That was a good game of you also.
06 Dec 09 UTC Thanks silverwolf. Very good game. Hope to play with you again. ;-)

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England
Silver Wolf (9388 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 53 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
France
Iggy (753 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 53 D
17 supply-centers, 14 units
Italy
Perry6006 (5409 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Turkey
Jackdeath21 (412 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Germany
Gault1 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Russia
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Austria
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
Gault1 (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1904) with 1 centres.
NaziGermany (0 D X)Austria (Spring, 1904) with 1 centres.
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