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Finished: 12 PM Sun 28 Dec 14 UTC
Modern Warzone
12 hours /phase
Pot: 100 D - Autumn, 2001, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Public messaging only, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by Amwidkle (4403 D)
24 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: I have no trouble with you, France. I support you in the war against Spain, who recently called for my demise!
24 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: thank, poland. i ask just for my bel, that i want from the beginning, i hope won't be a problem..
24 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: For once I agree with France... England, really?
24 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: And Poland - I called for you to draw.
24 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 1999: Poland, I hope we can be friends too :) I appreciate your support-holding Austria all these years.
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: i confirm Italy, i will support your move to Ionian Sea from Apulia.
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: as you requested. if you propose other change, i will confirm once i read it.
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: Oh Spain I thought you meant team up as in "team up to defeat." :)

I do admire your courage though Spain, you're one of the few nations of western Europe so far to commit to a risky, yet decisive plan of action. It is not the path for everyone, but it has served the Polish people well to be ruled by a bold and fearless leader!*

*My name is Good King Wenceslas, and I approve this message.
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: ^^
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: I appreciate that Poland. Since interest in this game seems to have waned (which makes sense during the holidays), I thought a draw would be appropriate. I gather you're waiting to see if Ukraine CDs or not, but since the difference of one player in the draw is all of 1 measly coin each, I ask you to click Draw Poland.
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: I think there's a lot of life left in this game, and in my book the holidays are a poor excuse for calling an early end to it.

Additionally, while others have played it safe in this game, I've taken some risky chances that have paid off, and frankly I'd like to see a little more reward than to be part of a seven-way draw. I'm thinking at least a four-way draw, or a Polish solo win with two strong junior partners such as Italy and Egypt who will also win plenty of points from their SCs.
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: congrats, your neighbors dropped out and you took over empty countries. very risky indeed.
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: i would have won too if my neighbors dropped and there was nothing stopping me from expanding
24 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2000: Not my fault that my enemies are filled with such despair that they give up the ghost at first contact!

You missed a phase to back there as I recall England...

Hell, even I missed a phase early on, but at least I stuck with it...
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Nice try Poland. As I already pointed out, there is no difference whatsoever in a 4 versus a 7 way draw. A whole 2 extra coins!! Woohoo!! The only difference you can achieve is indeed a solo win, which is certainly admirable to pursue... just as it is equally admirable to all gang up on you in order to stop you from achieving that goal. So now I am officially calling for peace between the other nations in order to attack Poland until he agrees to the draw that everyone else has already voted for.
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Your math is wrong, Spain. Really wrong.
Seven-way draw = 100/7 = 14 coins per player
Four-way draw = 100/4 = 25 coins per player
25 - 14 = 11.
*eleven* extra coins per player. Way more than "a whole 2 extra coins." Nice try, though ;)
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Two-way draw = 50 coins per player
Three-way draw = 33 coins per player
Four-way draw = 25 coins per player
Five-way draw = 20 coins per player
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Yes, it's true, if those 11 coins matter to you, then no problem. To me, the 2 vs. 11 is nothing, and I would think that's the case even if you are near 0 total. I do agree with you that this game has been fun so far, and I'm very much looking forward to a 5 on 1 type scenario, if you feel lucky.
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: I've never gotten this far in a public-press only game, but it would seem that a major weakness of any 5 vs. 1 alliance in a public press game is that the 5 powers' internal communications could all be read by the 1, while the 1 wouldn't have to reveal his moves to anyone ;)
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Well, we're clearly going to be putting that theory to the test...
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: We'll see. It's not WTA you know Spain, so nations like Egypt and Italy that could still get a lot more SCs might rather cooperate with me even at the risk of a solo if they want to maximize their earnings. Uniting to stop the leader sounds like great fun but could also cost them...

So what's it gonna be, Italy, Egypt, France? Follow Spain's suggestion or work with me for a smaller draw/solo? I see you've all pushed draw, but since I refuse to draw at this point, it seems you're going to have to choose one path or another for an endgame...
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: You could call the Italy-Egypt team the Green-team. And i would like to abstain from giving an opinion right now, i will leave the choice to Italy and i will agree on that.
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Poland, what if i hypotetically ask you to let me take Ankara?, which means you shouldnt touch it. ???
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Poland you are now only 6 SCs away from winning the solo. I am like that my forecast was totally right, ;). Poland will decide the future as i said. It was a hard game for most, specially britain and me. From the beginning i kind of knew Britain, Poland and me were the ones kind of aware of what was really going on in the game. I think to stop Poland right now is pretty late, not having Russia around and then having German and Ukraine missing didnt help, but well, lucky do is part of the game, but this was a good one with much debate around. Thats why i like this open discuss only matches, feels like a jury or the united nations. GG, well played everyone and happy christmas !!!!.
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Merry Christmas from the future dictator -- I mean democratically-elected president -- of Europe. Next year I hope to gain the votes of at least 50% of Supply Centers to avoid a runoff election.
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: The nations of Europe seem paralyzed, but do not let your hearts be filled with fear. Rather, a cup of Christmas cheer. :)
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Spain, unfortunately I do feel like it is your fault the earlier alliance fell apart. You were so insistent on gaining a few SCs that you wouldn't join an alliance with your neighbors.

Also, Egypt, I did see what was happening but was kinda stuck haha. It was obvious Germany was going to stab, but saying so in public press accomplishes nothing :-p

Poland - can I have Austria back pweeze?
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: That's your strategy, Italy? Asking nicely?
Can't really blame you I guess... I don't see any other way ;)
25 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Haha it's not like I've had a lot of options in this game. Italy is smack in the center.
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Yes, it's true, I did feel like actually playing the game opposed to just sitting back and doing nothing. I could also blame all y'all for missing turns and letting him steamroll us, but that's the way it is.
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: You wouldn't have been doing nothing, your fleets just would've been further from home capturing further-out SCs.
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: I mean, of all the people to blame for my likely solo, Spain is probably the least to blame both in terms of diplomacy and his faraway position...
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: The last blow that lead to your solo win, Poland, was the over building of fleets of Ukraine. The penultimate blow was the dissarray of western nations which make it easy to attack Germany. And it all begin having no russia around and ukraine attacing south and germany moving west. In other words, you were never attacked and never in a non-desirable situation. The only way which had stopped the current situation was for Ukraine to not attack me, and for Germany to not attack France. Everything else where just ups and downs.
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: If Ukraine had stabbed me instead of Egypt, then maybe Egypt would be in my position now :) but I guess he figured he may as well keep the momentum pressing south after taking over Turkey. But Ukraine left himself way too exposed to a northern attack in the process. Too bad Ukraine never talked that much, so we didn't get his perspective...
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Best move for Spain was actually to team up with Britain, that would give them both a real united force. France should have attacked Germany hard from the beginning, while trying to avoid any teamup between britain and spain against him. Germany should have attacked fast whatever he liked, no waiting time available for him. Italy should have attacked France or Germany and the balcans. Ukraine did everything well, except his last move. Turkey was doomed, he should had convinced Poland somehow. Russia, probably attack poland. Egypt, i should have say nothing regarding Italy, didnt knew it would turn that way, Turkey would had his guard down anyway, so it was probably an overplay move and bad tactics considering how it went, at least Turkey didnt make naval power, not sure if it was my influence but probably it couldnt. Anyway, These are just guessings. bye bye.
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: you are right Poland, but to achieve that position would be harder for me since i was being attacked by Italy and couldnt build land army beacause of that.
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: I like the idea of the triumvirate between france, germany and italy, it was very beneficial for me. But sadly germany break that, and you get stronger beacause of that.
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: Egypt, your rivalry with Italy was epically entertaining to witness but also a waste of resources.... While you two fought over some worthless sea and a couple SCs in Africa, Ukraine got to take over all of Turkey and the Balkans. I let Ukraine advance just far enough south to provoke you two into uniting against him, so that once I stabbed Ukraine would then have to fight a war against three major powers. Ukraine giving up was not in my plans, but of course that turn of events served me quite well..
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: yes, you are totally correct about that. i dont know with what argument i could have convinced Italy that i didnt wanted war and all was a mockery to attack turkey, but well, i was thinking that fighting over sea and desert was reason enough to not pursue that. I still think that the mockery was an overplay, but somehow it could had been the reason for Turkey and Ukraine to attack each other, who knows. Wonder if they would agree with that.
26 Dec 14 UTC Autumn, 2000: What I was most surprised by was Germany's stab. I seriously thought our triple alliance had potential, and the stab seemed like suicide.

Egypt -- for future reference, there were multiple times after Turkey's defeat that I would have accepted peace and a resumption of alliance had you pulled back some of your fleets from threat.
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: Poland, were you really able to build in 9 SCs just now? I thought you could only build units at home??
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: Nope it's a "build anywhere" variant... Haha.
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: Oh! I didn't realize that. Interesting. Even if I didn't do well this game, I learned something!
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: Try it! If I can do it, you can do it, anyone can get nine builds.

Oh wait, no one else even has nine units...
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: Yeah, it's kind of messed up when one player can build more units than the second largest country :-p. Also, our alternating text looks like Christmas colors.
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: ... but I'm jewish...
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: Bahahaha. does Hanukkah have colors?!
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: Sorta. Blue and silver maybe? I have no clue.
26 Dec 14 UTC Spring, 2001: lmao
27 Dec 14 UTC GG

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Amwidkle (4403 D)
Won. Bet: 10 D, won: 55 D
36 supply-centers, 27 units
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 14 D
8 supply-centers, 8 units
dagabs0 (24514 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 12 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
mattsh (775 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 10 D
6 supply-centers, 7 units
felix92 (190 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 5 D
3 supply-centers, 5 units
Angry Onion (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 4 D
2 supply-centers, 4 units
bluebaked89 (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 10 D, won: 4 D
2 supply-centers, 3 units
Metternich2.0 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
kasamhor (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
Metternich2.0 (100 D)Germany (Spring, 2000) with 1 centres.
Rahl_of_Darkness (20 D X)Russia (Spring, 1996) with 5 centres.
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