Finished: 12 PM Fri 14 Nov 14 UTC
Private WelcometoGeorwell
3 days /phase
Pot: 70 D - Spring, 1916, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
04 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Hmmm I though if a unit is attacked it cant attack? Certainly had no idea an enemy could "retreat" into someone else's land.
04 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Why didn't u support your move ? Taking Galicia would have been huge for us.
04 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1907: How is an enemy retreating into another's lands? You mean Rum to Bul?

Of course sending Bud, Vie AND Ukr into Gal just sets up a multiple bounce...
04 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Oops. Didn't realize this was in all users.
04 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Yeah I screwed up. Forgot how to play and well, have had other things on my mind.
04 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Damn should have kept quiet and learned secrets!
04 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Hardly. You've played Russia just fine. You were stabbed by me and we out-guessed you a couple of times.
04 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1907: See France! I told you he lied to me. ;)
05 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Need clarification for another game I'm in... How does convoying change the dynamic when forces meet? Eg is there a difference if F Baltic s A Pru-Ber than F Baltic c A Pru-Ber? Can support be cut but not convoy? When is it advantageous to use this? (Aside from shorter/over-water routes)
05 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Convoys are only stopped if the unit being convoyed is unable to land at it's destination or if one of the convoying fleets along the convoy route is dislodged.
05 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: So in the example above, if someone attacks F Baltic, does that stop the convoy? Or only if they attack with support ie more attackers than defenders? And what does "unable to land" mean? If the enemy occupies Ber, and I am convoying an army from Pru, is that "unable to land" or would it depend on support eg if I am also supporting Pru-Ber from Sil and thus have 2:1 (Pru/Sil vs Ber) assuming the convoying fleet does not count. Guess I still don't grasp why one would use this approach preferentially (assuming not traversing water etc)
06 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: A successful convoy requires that the place the A is being convoyed to be available for that unit to land in, and that the fleet(s) convoying the A aren't dislodged (hitting the fleet isn't sufficient, you have to displace it).
06 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Hope Cam made it clearer. A fleet that is conveying an army is not able to support an attack that it is also conveying.

As for why you would convoy an attack when you can just move directly is a fair question but let's use your Pru and Ber example. You have an army in Pru and a fleet in the Bal, your enemy an army in both Ber and Sil. You decide that he is going to attack you in Pru from Ber and supported by his army Sil. If you attack from Pru to Ber supported by Bal it's 2 on 2 - bounce. If you attack from the Bal supported by Pru you get into Ber but your a in Pru is forced to retreat or disband. If you go Pru-Ber via convoy Bal you get into Ber and are still have two units that can work with each other next turn.
06 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: If I convoy Pru-Ber and Ber holds (without support from Sil) do we succeed or fail to take Ber? (In this case Pru-Ber s BalS would succeed so what about Pru-Ber c BalS?)
06 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: A convoy is not a support. It does not add to the number of units involved in an attack so a Pru-Ber supported by f Bal totals 2 units and would dislodge an unsupported enemy army in Ber. By contrast were the f Bal to convoy a Pru-Ber, it would fail to dislodge an army, even unsupported, in Ber.
07 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Thanks!
07 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: And now I don't get a build?
07 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: you can only build in sevas/mos/ukr none of which are vacant and owned by you.
07 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1908: No one is in Rum? Must be because it's contested?
07 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1908: Rum is not Russian home turf. Can only build at home.
07 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1908: If you vacate Sev, you would be able to build there. You know, if nobody moves in.
11 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1908: I surrender.
11 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1908: 'twas well fought sir. I would say the blame rests with Italy or Turkey but we all know it was English treachery that did you in.
12 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: yes indeed! good game.
12 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Surprised that your surrender did not involve disbanding your dislodged army in Sev - though probably not as surprised as the Turk who now has to worry about you going for either Smyrna or Ankara to wait out the war.
12 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Well yet another inexperienced move.
12 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Hardly that. Perfectly reasonable place to retreat to, just surprised you retreated at all. The Romanov's will return.
16 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Why is the game waiting for Russian build orders?
16 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: Russia has to choose to dismantle A Vie or A Ank. There is actually a choice, unlike the retreat turn where there is no choice but to disband. I'm not sure Russia knows the game is still looking for his involvement but it is. I would point the finger at Turkey for cutting your support into Vienna. It wouldn't make this turn any faster but I suspect we will have a couple more turns waiting for Russia to go.
17 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1909: OK so how do we deal with this situation?
17 Sep 14 UTC Spring, 1909: Russia has submitted its move and set them to "Ready". Not sure Russia can be any more accommodating. Thanks.
18 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: I'm just a fisherman on the Black Sea, Nothing to see here...
19 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1909: Try the caviar and tip your waitresses. I'll be here all week.
24 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1910: ok it is done... i miss radio free austria :)
25 Sep 14 UTC Autumn, 1910: I think the French are looking for it.
01 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 1911: Are we done yet?
01 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 1911: I think the "we" part is done, yes.
01 Oct 14 UTC Autumn, 1911: LOL - Still hoping for a 4-way draw??
06 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 1912: well gg all... fall will probably be my last turn before i leave for holidays..
10 Oct 14 UTC Autumn, 1912: And where does that leave the rest of us???
10 Oct 14 UTC Autumn, 1912: Obv not honouring the deal we made for a 3 way draw.
10 Oct 14 UTC Autumn, 1912: It's ok. I will time out I guess
10 Oct 14 UTC Autumn, 1912: Since you never once so much as asked me or discussed a draw with me, I have not made any "deals"
10 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 1913: It was in the 3 unanswered messages I sent. At this point it was easier to talk with England who was still reading my texts. I won't have wifi access soon so there isn't much more I can do as I am not in Canada currently. I thought about sharing my account but people may not like me sharing the messages that were sent. Sorry not much more I can do. Cheers
10 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 1913: Have a great trip. Looks like you two couldn't work it out. My ally has to come first so I won't force a draw on him.

We will try and carve you up efficiently and equally.
10 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 1913: LOL!
10 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 1913: Have a great trip. Looks like you two couldn't work it out. My ally has to come first so I won't force a draw on him.

We will try and carve you up efficiently and equally.
17 Oct 14 UTC Spring, 1913: good to know for future games.
17 Oct 14 UTC Autumn, 1913: Always.
10 Nov 14 UTC Long, long road to get here.

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France
Tyrion14 (236 D)
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 35 D
17 supply-centers, 16 units
England
Drawn. Bet: 10 D, won: 35 D
17 supply-centers, 17 units
Turkey
Easykill (424 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Austria
shadows (167 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Italy
Antiphon (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Russia
Whisp (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Germany
asimpkin (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 10 D
Civil Disorders
asimpkin (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1903) with 0 centres.
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