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Finished: 02 PM Sat 22 Mar 14 UTC
New Domination
14 hours /phase
Pot: 105 D - Autumn, 1911, Finished
Classic, Anonymous players, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game won by helms (100 D (B))
09 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1903: turkey didnt pause in time
09 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1903: That's pretty low
09 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1903: So Austria seems to be the unsporting one. How about we kill Austria first, then return to the wars?
10 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1904: Shouldnt i have gotten a build?
10 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1904: i guees i will have to wait
10 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1904: there is now no reason to pause right?
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Germany in CD. We should draw. Without Germany the game is unbalanced.
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I guess we have already proven that Austria is completely unsporting so we will probably have to kill Austria before drawing though.
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Is there a rule I've missed somewhere that says a country going into civil disorder automatically means a raw?
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Or indeed a rule that says someone signing up to a fast turnaround game should be able to get a pause on request when they find they can't make the fast turnaround deadlines?
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Nope. Just good sportsmanship. Some players make yheir living soloing on the backs of CDs rather than through good play. There is also no rule against trying to organize collective action by those who don't appreciate such actions against those who do it.
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I will say that I needed pauses in three games. Of the 18 players involved only one said no to a reasonable request for a pause
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Agree that civil disorder is a major problem but calling fir a draw at the first sign of one is excessive in the extreme. Id actuakky benefit from a draw here as im going to be elimonated soon but dealing with cds is just one of the annoyong things you have to deal with playing the game online. Why don't we pause the game until we find a new Germany. Its a viable position.
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I've also seen players use pauses to their advantage BTW...
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I loath pauses though b/c they may never end, as is the case with one game I am in.
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Hardly seems fair that I and Italy should benefit from a draw when the games been a disaster for us both
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well what does a cancel do?
11 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I'll just vote everything, and if any of it is agreed upon, great.
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I asked for a limited pause because I was going to be away from a computer for a limited time. Both of your arguments are nonsensical in taht context. You simply chose to take advantage of that rather than playing a fair game. You are free to doo that, just as I am to argue that people who take unfair advantage rather than playing a decent game ought to be eliminated by others who value good play rather than taking advantage.
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Fine, then lets' cancel.
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I notice France also is one who wants to bloat his numbers by taknig advantage of CDs. Can't wait to see who you both are.
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I have attacked you fair and square and in fact you have only missed one phase on a retreat.
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: I love how every game I play ends in someone leaving then eating to draw!
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Yes a retreat phase where I lost two of my give units leaving me with zero capacity to hit back.
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: you were finished anyway
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Quite possibly. I have a tendency to sneak out when people think I am dead. For example slowing you down a turn or two puts me in a position to get peace with both you and Austria since both of you are now losing. Long story short, fairly played this is likely a different game
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: To paraphrase Italy:

Wah wah wah wah wah wah wah
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: TRUE DAT!
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: To paraphrase Italy: cheaters shouldn't prosper.
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: It is after all the only chance you had to beat me so I guess you took it. At the end of the day, I know I played a fair game and you two know you didn't.
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: i have still voted draw so whatever man
12 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well this is a good point France. You should take advantages that others hand you
12 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Italy attacked by both neighbouring powers claiming the only chance to beat him was when he missed a retreat has made me laugh quite a lot.
12 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1905: Yeah well that's because Both neighboring powers are themselves getting crushed and neither stab was really defensible if I had had those units for the fall.
14 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: It would be a shame to continue this game since germany dropped out
15 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1906: should we start submitting moves at the last second until everyone draws?
15 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1907: it is disgraceful to continue a game like this
15 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Talk to Austria. You'll have to kill him off first
15 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1907: Still need turkey to draw.
15 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1907: as well
15 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: Amazing how the powers bleating for a draw are the ones getting the smack laid down on them
16 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: says austria
16 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1907: The Russian Foreign Ministry issues a stiffly worded missive to the European heads of state bemoaning the conduct of the deposed Austro-Hungarian and French heads of state, positing that their disagreements only serve to further inflame the geopolitical situation and lower the integrity of the European mainland, and suggesting the commencement of a cessation of the distribution of negative and antagonizing communiques.
16 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1908: hard to imagine that happening.
17 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: It seems that with Turkey ok with playing through the Germany CD, I'm not sure why Russia and England would continue to vote for a draw or cancel.
17 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1908: I dont mind CD. I imagine it as a coup taking place, and as a result, the military is leaderless and in disarray. Just like real life!
20 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1910: Well looks like you'll solo. Good to see the players that tried to take advantage ended up biting the dust.
20 Mar 14 UTC Autumn, 1910: england and turkey both have 15. this is going to be a bg battle
20 Mar 14 UTC Spring, 1911: I suppose. turkey is in a much better position, but a 17-17 draw is probably most likely. Tunis and Moscow are Turkey's for sure. Berlin and St P to England. However Turkeys armies are already at the stalemate line in the center and his fleets have an open run at the western med
21 Mar 14 UTC And there it is

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Turkey
helms (100 D (B))
Won. Bet: 15 D, won: 105 D
18 supply-centers, 15 units
England
Mafusma (100 D)
Survived. Bet: 15 D
16 supply-centers, 15 units
France
Survived. Bet: 15 D
0 supply-centers, 1 units
Russia
Gewehr (0 D X)
Survived. Bet: 15 D
0 supply-centers, 3 units
Italy
Ogion (3898 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Germany
danh13 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Austria
psychosis (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
danh13 (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1904) with 5 centres.
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