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Finished: 07 PM Tue 06 Oct 09 UTC
A game of Diplomacy-3
1 day /phase
Pot: 280 D - Autumn, 1920, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
28 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1915: France, why not stay in the game, and earn yourself some points?
29 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1916: Sincerely guys, I want this game to either progress, or to end...

A/R, it is within your power to either:
1) Kill France, then stab each other for the victory
2) Kill France, then 3 W Draw this one
3) Acknowledge that all 4 remaining players have played a good game, and are deservering a Draw.

Or what are your thoughts about this game?
Cheers / Perry
30 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1916: And why can't we kill you AND France and then either stab each other or draw?
30 Oct 09 UTC Spring, 1916: Because MAO, STP and DEN constitutes a stalemate line.
04 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: Why, this is strange?
We are only three players left, we have quite long phases , what could go wrong?
How should we proceed?
04 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: Our game crashed? What does that imply? Are we going to be able to finish, do you think?
04 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: sit here idly and hope someone fixes it.
05 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: Perhaps one can post in the Forums? I would like to get going in this one sometime soon at least :)
06 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1918: thanks to whoever fixed this :)
07 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1919: hooray!
09 Nov 09 UTC Autumn, 1919: Okay, I'd appreciate support into Gascony, you can move back into Spain
09 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1920: I'll move Gulf of Lyon to Spa and give support to Gas from Bur.
09 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1920: lol... Hi England :)
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09 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1920: So, are we going to have to call this a draw?
10 Nov 09 UTC Spring, 1920: What with all the exclamation marks? Did I miss something?
10 Nov 09 UTC FYI, I will build F LON , from my build in POR.
Then I will place it in NTH.
Perhaps I am wrong, but from that point, I cannot see that my position is that of a stalemate?
10 Nov 09 UTC From then on I can play:
GOB S STP

IRI/ENG/POR S MAO

NTH S DEN

indefinitely - and that is not possible for you to break. Correct?
10 Nov 09 UTC allright. That's not emtirely true, the fleet in gascony could still cause other problems, but I'm fairly sure you could handle them all, and we'd need to play another 4 years just to see. Two months is long enough. Good game.
10 Nov 09 UTC Oh, is that so?
Maybe I am daft - and I confess to never have drawn a game, with a hostile fleet that has passed the MAO in this manner - but I cant see what the fleet can do?
Yes, move up & down the coast (or even to HEL), but to what avail?
I must be missing something...
10 Nov 09 UTC Remember that I am building F LON , which moves into NTH!
10 Nov 09 UTC Well, If you would figure it out, We would have no chance ;)
10 Nov 09 UTC Hell, now I must check the board all over again ... :)
10 Nov 09 UTC wow... reanalysis shows that possibility is even weaker than I had thought before... yeah, you'll have no problems blocking it.
10 Nov 09 UTC OK, I think I figured it?
You move
GAS-BRE-PIC-BEL-HOL-HEL/KIE, then BAL or BER?

Well, BAL would be bounced of course.
But that be 1923 we are talking about..
While it is good fun playing Dip generally, I must question wheter it would be good fun playing this game to 1923....... A whole lotta holding going on...
10 Nov 09 UTC Yes, moving around the north coast, I have some chance of getting into position to cut support. Yes, playing to that would be absurd, and has little chance of anything happening. Which is why I'm ready for the draw.
10 Nov 09 UTC (that, and I need some points in order to join a league game... a live game I joined crashed, and is now hanging around holding my points :(
10 Nov 09 UTC Johnny, please chip in your Draw vote.
It has been a good game indeed.
I stabbed prematurely, and you guys played a very good tactical game after that.

I did somehow think that the diplomatic game in this one was stale though.
Why did you play your alliance 'til the end of the game? Was I too unreliable, or did no suitable opportunity present itself?

I can agree that when I stabbed F, and grew to 13, it would have been foolish to stab each other. There were some opportunities in the end though?

Anyhow, we've played a rather long game, and would love some EOG comments on this one! //Cheers Perry6006
10 Nov 09 UTC Good game indeed. I should have had you, but my tactics got sloppy in the middle there, and you were able to clear the Atlantic.
As to the the late game alliance, I guess that's just my philosophy. I tend to honor endgame alliances: many game reach the point where unconditional trust is required to be able to mount a sufficient defense. When that happens, I will lay myself completely open to attack, in the hope that the other will do the same. If he does, I won't stab him, because We're both more successful if no one stabs. it's pure metagaming, I hope that people will trust me to do this in other games as well...
If you know anything about game theory, this is precisely the prisoner's dilemma.
10 Nov 09 UTC That's an atrocious explanation, by hopefully you get the idea
10 Nov 09 UTC *but

Start Backward Open large map Forward End

Austria
Drawn. Bet: 40 D, won: 93 D
14 supply-centers, 13 units
Russia
Don Corleone (277 D)
Drawn. Bet: 40 D, won: 93 D
12 supply-centers, 13 units
England
Perry6006 (5409 D)
Drawn. Bet: 40 D, won: 93 D
8 supply-centers, 7 units
Italy
meteorman15 (298 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
France
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Turkey
Zeno Izen (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Germany
sinned (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 40 D
Civil Disorders
MajorShenanigans (159 D)France (Spring, 1916) with 5 centres.
meteorman15 (298 D)Italy (Spring, 1904) with 3 centres.
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