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Finished: 01 PM Thu 05 Dec 13 UTC
Amateur Modern Diplomacy
1 day /phase
Pot: 56 D - Autumn, 2007, Finished
Modern Diplomacy II, Anonymous players, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
16 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1994: Good luck everyone
17 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1994: Betraying our alliance Germany? No honour!
17 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1994: No, we didn't agree on Austria.
18 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1995: darn, i mucked that up...
23 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1996: GameMaster: Fumblebee was banned: multi. The time until the next phase has been extended by one phase length to give an opportunity to replace the player.
Remember to finalize your orders if you don't want to wait, so the game isn't held up unnecessarily!
23 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1996: omg---and I was allied with him!
Last thing he send me was a rather cryptic message.
23 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1996: The new government of Poland has dealt with the corruption of the past and is now moving to new horizons ;)
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: I'm very curious to see what happens once Italy is eliminated. Aside from Russia, it appears everyone else is either allied or in NAPs with everyone else. There will be some interesting backstabbing that will happen!

The most interesting will be the central countries. With France, Germany, and Poland in an alliance, and each of them in NAPs with their respective neighbours, they will have nowhere left to expand after Italy is gone.

Any countries working with Poland, Turkey, or Egypt, beware. Each one of these countries broke an alliance/NAP with Italy with a backstab.
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: When did I backstab you? Maybe the last guy?
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: omg, a backstab in diplomacy. Yes we are the only 3 players who have ever backstabbed anyone. I promise never to do it again!
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: Sorry Italy, I wish I could say that because I missed my first builds turn I was vunerable and pressured into it... but that would be a lie (although did limit my options considerably)
oh and by the way,
assuming Spain is working with you aka an alliance of sorts he's also going to stab you
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: Turkey, I wasn't saying I was surprised about the backstabs. There are people who backstab, and there are people who don't (which can even vary game to game). I was just giving everyone a heads up about what type you were, so they would know to not fully trust you.

It's ok Egypt, I understand why you turned. You had two choices, attack Turkey or attack me, and I was the obviously weaker target. In your shoes, I probably would have done the same.

I fully expect Spain to turn against me soon. I'm just taking his support for the time being, as I don't really have any other option.
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: And I retract my statement about Poland. It was the previous ruler who betrayed me. Apologies Poland!
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: There is always a third option... it may however involve death XD (childhood references ftw)
Best of luck to you Italia
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: its all part of the game, guys....know when to hold them, know when to fold them.....this isnt a nice game, its a game of backstabbers....get use to it....some do it early in the game, some do it later, but one way or another it always winds up happening
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: Spot on Britain, I don't think telling the rest of us you were backstabbed helps them, since all of us will backstab at the appropriate time, and all of us will hold alliances all the way to a draw if that is the best available option.
26 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: this game isnt for everyone.....you win some, you lose some....life goes on...sure, i have been upset at broken alliances, but i have stabbed and been stabbed....that is just this game
27 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: I agree it's all part of the game, but I disagree that backstabs are inevitable. I personally try and avoid them and I would expect there are others like me, however few.

Anyways, I didn't mean for my initial backstabbing comment to elicit such a big discussion, so I'm happy to leave it here. In the future, I won't bother pointing out backstabbers, because as you mentioned, most people will turn if the situation calls for it.
27 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: i guess you're right nothing is inevitable. But it really isn't possible to win or even play an interesting game without going back on your word with some people. Nobody will be bothered with you unless you seem to be engaged with them, but you can't engage everyone since such an engagement will involve attacking someone else. Ultimately winning is usually a result of talking with everyone, choosing some allies and stabbing others, then rinse and repeat until you get an advantage.
27 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1997: saying that I have played a couple of world dip games where that hasn't actually happened, also if you play global chat only it can't really be called stabbing when you tell everyone what's happening
30 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1998: CRUSADES! COME ON, CRUSADES ROUND TEN OR SOMETHING LET'S GO!
15 Nov 13 UTC Spring, 2002: Well this Turkish Horde has become quite awkward....
22 Nov 13 UTC Spring, 2004: Ok guys... this game is going to go nowhere. As it stands now its a complete drawfest along all our borders, and nobody can gain any ground. Maybe there would be a winner eventually, but only are a VERY LONG AND PROTRACTED war lasting dozens of years. So here's the choice, do we call it here and declare a draw, or do we keep going for the next few decades?
22 Nov 13 UTC Spring, 2004: The question is whether Turkey feels like he can win. I also don't see this and am for a draw (after eliminating Russia).
22 Nov 13 UTC Spring, 2004: I believe you are wrong... and so would prefer to play on at least for two more years
if by 2007 we have moved nowhere I will agree with your conclusion
23 Nov 13 UTC Spring, 2004: Ok, I can abide by that. Let's see how it goes.
27 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 2005: Well I think we can agree this is going nowhere fast, may I suggest a 4 way draw?
sorry Poland
27 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 2005: But I am such a powerful player! haha
27 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 2005: I'll agree with Egypt, and will happily support him in this. Sorry Poland, you played very well and fought valiantly, but alas it was not to be....
27 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 2005: OK. My apologies too.
27 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 2005: Well then ill just have to take you all on!
28 Nov 13 UTC Autumn, 2005: I'll go along with that. Poland, I would have offered an ally against the rest, but you refused to talk to me at all so 4 way it is.
29 Nov 13 UTC Spring, 2006: Ok I will just press ready from here to speed things up
29 Nov 13 UTC Spring, 2006: cheers
01 Dec 13 UTC Autumn, 2006: Hey all. So I'm going away tomorrow for 8 days, during which I will likely be unable to enter moves, and was thus wondering if we could pause the game for a week? I know this is a big ask, but would be eternally grateful to everyone if they agreed to this.
01 Dec 13 UTC Autumn, 2006: Sorry, please ignore, just realised this game is about to end anyway once Poland is gone.
01 Dec 13 UTC Autumn, 2006: I am fine with a pause---we won't be finished until tomorrow. But I would also be fine with a 5-way draw.
01 Dec 13 UTC Autumn, 2006: let's do a 4 way draw. France not moving won't change that.
01 Dec 13 UTC Autumn, 2006: OK.
01 Dec 13 UTC Autumn, 2006: i'm fine with or without the pause
01 Dec 13 UTC Autumn, 2006: Same with me.
01 Dec 13 UTC Spring, 2007: I'll leave it up to you guys to finish, and thank you all :)
02 Dec 13 UTC Spring, 2007: make sure you don't cd
02 Dec 13 UTC Spring, 2007: Will do :) Turkey and Germany, please try to cooperate and finish off Poland. Ultimately it won't matter who takes it and who doesn't.
02 Dec 13 UTC Spring, 2007: Yes, Turkey, Lit is for you.
03 Dec 13 UTC lol
03 Dec 13 UTC at least we are done :)
04 Dec 13 UTC Draw?
04 Dec 13 UTC well played guys

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Turkey
grenv (129 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
24 supply-centers, 23 units
France
Ar Jack (1630 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
15 supply-centers, 15 units
Germany
Ballack (2571 D)
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
14 supply-centers, 13 units
Egypt
Drawn. Bet: 5 D, won: 14 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Britain
gordonpup (1390 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Italy
Sir Giles (120 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Poland
conornb (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 6 D
Russia
bbb111 (98 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Spain
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Ukraine
ivozec (185 D)
Defeated. Bet: 5 D
Civil Disorders
Incorporated States (100 D)Spain (Spring, 2002) with 1 centres.
bbb111 (98 D)Russia (Autumn, 1998) with 5 centres.
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