Finished: 09 AM Fri 25 Oct 13 UTC
Private Bismark Lives
1 day /phase
Pot: 105 D - Spring, 1908, Finished
Classic, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
05 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1901: England is an absentee player?
09 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1903: Why hello there again England!
09 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1903: I've opted to vote for a draw - I forfeit any attempt to win this game but will join any/all coalitions which seek combined victory.
09 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1903: Why so?
09 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1903: Because I'm in way too many Diplom games and I need to make my life simpler. Bit overwhelming right now, so I'm looking for a reliable coalition to grind the rest of the map into dust and then sign a mutually beneficial peace.
09 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1903: yea, i dig. i only do 2 games at a time. more than that and yer head begins to spin
09 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: I agree - too many games right now. Is the feeling that we should draw before Turkey gets eliminated? I think England should probably have to pay for leaving for a few turns by being defeated.
09 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: To be clear, I'm fine continuing to play too. I'm quite enjoying Italy. Lots of potential. I'll go with the general consensus.
10 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: I'm fine with either, I guess. I'm still in about 6 games right now, and it's too much, I've found.
13 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: did i miss the last phase? heh
14 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: 4 vs 1... that seems real challenging. brave souls
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: We see a moment of weakness and we pounce. And to be fair, wouldn't the world be simpler if, in 1904, England had been taken over by France, the sick man had been put out of his misery in Turkey, and everyone decided that Germany needed to go next?
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: No, no it would not- France take over England....::shudder::
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: I agree with Italy. You all need my culture now. Let's return the French language to its international place of prominence!
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: lol. you guys are so full of it
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: hey i missed my moves in the other europe game and got wrecked because of it
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: In my class the other day, a student asked where Germany was... if Germany no longer existed today, I wouldn't feel so bad for the student.
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: i'm pretty sure this isant about missing a move
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Not sure what you're implying... I, for one, am happy that your Barbarossa has stalled before the gates on Moscow, even though it appears to mean French domination in the short run.
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: *of Moscow, even.
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Who you foolin' its a 4 on 1 :P
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: If it was about victory, there was no point in France betraying... it was pretty clear that France/Germany had the upper hand
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: France might normally be driven by herideology, but France will gladly settle for a 4 way tie between herself, Italy, Austria, and Russia.
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: * her ideology
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: France had no where to go in the short term, so not so clear.
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Haha, Bryan, I thought you were using some fancy intellectual history word with "herideology" :p.

And Scott, you're right that France and Germany had the upper hand, but France had to go somewhere, either through you or me (you might could've suggested he take Scandinavia as a way to divert his attention from the center. I would've been happy with that too, but it had to come from you). Seeing that the middle had to give, I made what I thought was a pretty convincing argument for him taking out you as opposed to me, based primarily on the fact that going against me would make enemies in the east, while going against you would make friends. Even if he still plans on going for the win, attacking you in concert with the east and getting your SC's is a lot better than attacking me while I am propped up by the east. It's realpolitik. You had open SC's that were easy to take, you missed moves, and attacking you made valuable friends.

So all told, you're right, you probably would've been attacked regardless of whether or not you put moves in, unless you had been able to convince France to focus elsewhere. You missing moves just made it easier.
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: The big issue was england going awol, that allowed france three extra SCs and no extra pressure
15 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: It is about time, I get a break. Am I right or am I right? P.S. I'm still not sure who everyone is here, so anonymous games vs non anonymous games don't make a difference to me. I just now discovered that you were Germany, Scott.
19 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: This aggression will not stand, man!
19 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1905: Also - if France now attacks me, I'll have the rare distinction of having been attacked by every other nation on the board.
22 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1906: If Germany is not going to play this game anymore, can we just go ahead and knock him out this next turn?
22 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1906: If he misses this coming turn, he will automatically CD (civil disorder) and no longer be a player in the game (i.e. can't vote, can't win).
22 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1906: Nice safety clause ... :)
22 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: Austria's trying to give France a run for his money!
22 Oct 13 UTC Autumn, 1906: you could only hope that was the case :)
22 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1907: So are we interested Italy and Austria in a draw after Russia is defeated?
23 Oct 13 UTC Spring, 1907: That is the goal
23 Oct 13 UTC Womp womp.Your cooperation sickens me!
23 Oct 13 UTC Time for the draw. Good game guys!
23 Oct 13 UTC Yeah. I will say that I think France and Austria could've probably squashed me pretty easily, but that it might've meant France winning. So I'm glad to play the third wheel.
23 Oct 13 UTC Good game all!

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France
bbanks2504 (0 D X)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
14 supply-centers, 14 units
Austria
MarshalSaxe (169 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
11 supply-centers, 11 units
Italy
Dakoit (183 D)
Drawn. Bet: 15 D, won: 35 D
9 supply-centers, 9 units
Russia
Dassarri (865 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Turkey
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
England
Carrier (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Germany
Defeated. Bet: 15 D
Civil Disorders
T.W. Higginson (100 D)Germany (Spring, 1906) with 4 centres.
Carrier (100 D)England (Autumn, 1903) with 0 centres.
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