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Finished: 01 AM Sat 17 Aug 13 UTC
Private Bay12
1 day /phase
Pot: 700 D - Autumn, 1904, Finished
Classic, Draw-Size Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
08 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1903: only if france accepts to take russia
08 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1903: Wait, how do you switch units?
08 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1903: you cant switch units. if unit from A moves to B, and B moves to A, both stay where the are.
if C supports A, a moves to B, and B is dislodged and must retreat, but it can not retreat to A or C
08 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1903: I thought you said you could.

Hey, Dariush, why haven't you chosen your retreat yet?
09 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Because first I was busy, then I was asleep and then I got my hands on Spelunky.
09 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: well, now it's all fine and dandy. time for moves
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: hmm...france has been away for a long while...

oh well, 6 hours to go, surely he will enter moves in time...
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: god damn, only 1 hour to go.

god damnit, why is nobody here reliable?
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Hey, I'm reliable.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: and almost out of the picture
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: enough of this bullshit.

draw it is. people dropping left and right, turning the whole game into a joke
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: also, wth is germany doing?
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: anyway, I request a draw, for a possible restart with reliable people. this dropping out here and there is just nonsense.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: for christs sake germany, these have to be the single worst moves I have ever seen.

the english-russian attack was 100% predictable and you just...dear god
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: I finally got a build!! But yes, I get your point.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: well, more through luck than through skill. had germany simply supported hold in kiel, instead of...doing nothing at all with holland for some reason.. you would not have gotten in
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: I was hoping he'd attempt to protect Berlin, as I personally thought that to be the more obvious move on my part.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: he could have done both, easily
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: But he's not as good a player as you it seems, so he apparently didn't notice.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: it's not just that he didnt notice, he didnt even try. this is the single worst move I have ever seen
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: How many votes do we need for a Draw?
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: all active players

england might refuse, as it gives him an advantage though. in that case, we ned to eliminate england
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Well, it gives me an advantage too.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Huh. Evidently, my attack on Serbia was ill-advised.

...I'm not actually sure what I was thinking, maybe that the Trieste army would help defend it even whilst attacking. A bit foolish on my part.
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: I was suprised too. your moves so far looked pretty well thought out
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: then again, it's pretty much just a back and forth and back and forth with vienna and trieste
10 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: I've compromised into a draw and, therefore, revealed information I would not have otherwise, which is to say, even should any of you go back on your intention at this stage, England is out. Should you wish to continue the game, pointless as it may be, for the points' sake, I will do nothing to deter you, and may well try and join a later match, should someone take the initiative. Until then, farewell.
11 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Akroma: Thank you. I guess I took a stupid risk based on a misunderstanding of the game. This is my first game of Diplomacy that got anywhere--and by anywhere, I mean to the point where we were taking supply centers.
11 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Akroma: Thank you. I guess I took a stupid risk based on a misunderstanding of the game. This is my first game of Diplomacy that got anywhere--and by anywhere, I mean to the point where we were taking supply centers.
11 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Sorry, internet went down for a day. :/
11 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: well, all that remains is germany and austria to also hit the draw button

once that is done, one of you has to make a new game, and find a 7th player, because I will not be joining this game. If you give me the link however, I will write turn-analysis posts in the thread, providing detailed commentary on what is going on, or appears to be going on

it's a bit of a shame. the current italy-austria-russia-turkey situation the way it is is rather rare and very interesting to play. I am really psyched to see it play out. Russia has been a formidable foe, who has much improved since I last played with him (though germanies weird moves certainly helped), and the constant back and forth between italy and austria really makes it hard to predict how things will turn out. I have been running a simulated game, and depending on what italy disbands, there are several hundred different move combinations...

perhaps we could wait with the draw for a few more turns, just to sate curiosity?
I am sure everyone one here has a few moves in mind he wanted to do, and would at least want to see them turn out?
11 Aug 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: I can't wait for Russia to choose a Build...
11 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: I'm sorry, not really used to building things this game :P
11 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: Also, Yay Akroma thinks I'm a half-decent player ^.^

Whilst I've suspected I'd always end up defeated this game (Ever since Spring 01), I thought I might be able to slow down Turkey enough for Italy to take the game. More recently I thought it might be France who wins, but we shall see.
12 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: I'm a novice, but Turkey and France both seem to have strong positions. Russia, England, and Germany are being carved up as fast as they gain territory, Austria's barely better, and I...well, a couple foolish moves have mostly screwed my otherwise promising empire over.
12 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: hmm, looks like there will be a lot of countries that might already have abandoned the game pre-draw.

that of course, makes my curiosity of how the next few turns play out moot.
doesn't matter how well I plan ahead, if germany is idle doing nothing, I can not take out russia, period. so "how would it play it if it continued" is pointless, if some of the main actors are gone.

I'll just vote draw now, and the game ends when it ends, hopefully by everyone voting for a draw.

if germany indeed idles instead of drawing, well, miss two moves in a row and you are auto-kicked from the game, so if he doesn't return to the game to hit draw, it's just a delay

meanwhile, well, I fully understand if italy and austria want to continue at least until their own battle is finished. both have equal amounts of units, and both have a position that is advantagous to them in one way or another. as such, it's an intense battle of wits, strategy, proper planning and of course diplomacy

I understand if they want to make the decisive move at least, and then vote for draw once their opposition is either eliminated or admits defeat.

I will continue to mingle with the events there according to the diplomacy I receive
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: a shame, germany gave up
well, so much for simulating the battle with russia

italy and austria, hurry up for the draw please
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: yeah, the sheer amount of missed moves makes a continueation of the game a joke.

russia is able to roam freely, mingling in ways that an active germany would not allow, and now even france is joining in on the fray it seems

guys, please draw soon. who of you two wins is pretty much decided by turkish intervention anyway. if I continue helping out austria, this turn the net-change wont be the usual 1 loss one gain for both sides, but austria will be guaranteed to make 2 gains, while italy can at max, and even then only if austria misses the prediction, make one gain - the ensueing disbands would turn austria into the guaranteed winner of this match (between italy and austria that is)

even if both russia and france would to intervene in italies favour, italy would not survive long enough to turn this around.

on the other hand, if for any reason I would decide to turn against austria, I would have enough fleets to easily take anything austria gained in the med, and through cutting support, would be able to make sure italy gains trieste back - ensuing in a net-loss for austria, the following disband would render him helpless, along with the land units I have right at his back, making sure italy would win. sure enough, french and russian intervention in favour of austria would delay austrias demise, but not prevent it.

all that really matters here is my decision, after that it's just going through the motions.

as austria has been a faithful ally to me the whole game, allowing for some interesting tactical discussion, and even forgiving me my fuck-up in rumania - while italy has broken our only agreement (that greece is mine, yet he tried to take it)

I declare Austria, home of the Kaiser Dariush, to be the winner of the austrian-italian war.

can we draw now that the result has been spoiled?
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: Now you're making me want to prove you wrong.
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: Kaiser Dariush... that sounds awesome. :P
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: Much better than Il Duce GWG. :D
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: well italy, how about a challenge then?

I have run some simulations, and have come to the conclusion that within the next 3 moves ( so by the end of autumn 05), is the soonest that austria can eliminate all of your centers.

I will keep this challenge between you and Dariush - meaning I will not tell Austria how he would have to move in order to secure that result (and trust me, there are errors to be made, many of them, on both sides)
I will simply do as Austria tells me to do (while keeping sevastopol safe, it's my token-win against russia afterall), or, if for some reason you manage to convince me to help you, join as italy suggests (that's a pretty hard goal though)

to convince me, you have until the end of this autumn - my moves at that time will be what determines wether Italy wins of Austria wins.

in the more likely scenario that I keep sticking with austria, you have another two moves to out-manouver against the incoming onslaught of Austrian and Turkish troops.
- if your survive, you will be part of the draw, and I shall commend your skill
- if austria prevails, he will have removed italy from the game. the last moves would come entirely from his own predictions of the italian moves and strategy on how to remove italy, so that would be a great achievement (trust me, the next 3 moves to get rid of italy are not that obvious)

I shall withhold my draw vote until the end of autumn 05, which will be the concluding move of the game, so italy cant just hit the button and evacuate if things turn sour.


to both sides, mind france and russia - they may yet have to play a crucial role in the upcoming 3 turns. I of course except both italy and austria to do their utmost, diplomaticaly, to convince either of these sides to join forces with them

is everyone alright with this proposal?
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: No, I'm not.
It's one thing to play a couple more turns to see who comes out on top, but I'm not going to play merely so you'll be entertained.
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: okay then, draw it is
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: italy, if you will please?
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: also, not merely for entertainment. I was just trying to give italy a chance to do as he said

he wanted to prove me wrong in my assessement that austria won this.
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: Fine. Draw voted.
13 Aug 13 UTC Spring, 1904: And I more wanted to prove that I could defeat Austria.
14 Aug 13 UTC Uh... why isn't the game over?
14 Aug 13 UTC the game will be over at the end of this turn, germany needs to miss this move in order to be auto-kicked, which will end in a draw

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Turkey
Akroma (967 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 140 D
8 supply-centers, 7 units
France
sheb (144 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 140 D
7 supply-centers, 6 units
Austria
Dariush (140 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 140 D
5 supply-centers, 4 units
England
Azthor (140 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 140 D
4 supply-centers, 5 units
Italy
GreatWyrmGold (151 D)
Drawn. Bet: 100 D, won: 140 D
2 supply-centers, 4 units
Russia
Kashyyk (196 D)
Resigned. Bet: 100 D
4 supply-centers, 3 units
Germany
Remuthra (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 100 D
4 supply-centers, 4 units
Civil Disorders
Kashyyk (196 D)Russia (Autumn, 1904) with 4 centres.
Remuthra (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1904) with 4 centres.
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