Finished: 03 PM Thu 30 May 13 UTC
The Western Theater
1 day /phase
Pot: 238 D - Spring, 1905, Finished
Classic, Public messaging only, Survivors-Win Scoring
1 excused missed turn
Game drawn
24 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: i probably should have asked if you wanted to take bulgaria this turn before vacating.it shouldn't I?
24 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: Germany i'm not saying i m a good guy. I m saying that i read the board and move at my convenience, and that now my convenience is your convenience, while war between us is useless. I see that russia has five armies but pnly two fleets south. For a safe win he will be forced to attack you, also because he knows that i will NEVER attack italy and that on the contrary i d rather let the italian use my units as his if he needs to defend himself. everyone wants to win or make a good score, and values every options from time to time, but every turn our options are decreasing while russia's options increase. I will defend now, but I can give you back belgium in one turn if you need a center to go east.
24 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: It's all righ Russia, but ya just give me a heads up in the future.
24 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: *right
24 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1903: That's what I wanted haha I'm glad we are on the same page France
26 May 13 UTC Spring, 1904: So Russia, what exactly did we work out before in lines of center division. I forgot what we agreed to and don't want to make moves that might mess it up. I assume I am grabbing Bulgaria this turn, so what are you going for?
27 May 13 UTC Spring, 1904: Smyrna. It worked out 5 each (of Austria,Balkans and Turkey).
27 May 13 UTC Spring, 1904: Alright, sounds good.
27 May 13 UTC Spring, 1904: Btw you might want to watch out for a German strike since he seems to have patched up with France. Sorry Germany but that's why I built Warsaw.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: France, are you trying to wage an all out war against both sides? supporting England in to the North sea while attacking his backdoor?
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: If i was attacking i d be in irish big time.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: If i was attacking i d be in irish big time.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Why? Irish sea only allows access to Wales at the expense of Clyde and Norwegian sea. If you meant you would have moved ENG there then that would be stupid because you have unopposed access to Liverpool and you would lose access to london.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Italy: I am supporting you from vie to bohemia. Please go tyr-mun. Then he has to guess whether to use Munich and risk moving in and losing Munich or only using Kiel and risk Lodi.g Berlin.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: west irish and gas brest is an obvious attack. What would be stupid, instead, is to attack england
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Germany, we are small powers fighting each pther, while big powers are sharing our lands
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Now he s on denmark and munich. Read the game, dont mind the moves
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: I can support you
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Don't worry about the Tyrrhenian France, he is mainly on guard duty on the off chance someone tries to hit my flank.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Also, will do Russia.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Italy, i understand positioning, but in this stage pf the game for you to be in tyr is very offensive. Please reconsider it. I ll move back to mao in order to prevent a guessing game from glyo to marseille/spain and if you build an army i ll draw it back to nao (and consider it as good as done). Otherwise, i ll finally give in to russia myself
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: I am confused about what you are asking??? Tyrr won't go any further West and you have a buffer zone to see me coming if I try anything. One fleet can't do much offensively and Gascony/Burgundy are more than enough to stop me.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: GameMaster: macconqueso was banned: multi/meta. The time until the next phase has been extended by one phase length to give an opportunity to replace the player.
Remember to finalize your orders if you don't want to wait, so the game isn't held up unnecessarily!
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Well that's interesting. France you might as well take Liverpool now that England is no longer under anyones control.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Kind of a mood breaker
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Kind of a mood breaker
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: So italy, this is why i said what i said
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: 1st, as i said, if you go to lyo and i dont go south, you have a guessing game. Hence i m forced to go south.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: 2nd, you build after the move. A fleet in rome or naples would double an attack against me. If tyrolia moves to piedmont, the attack would be tripled.
27 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: So call me paranoid, but i see tyr sea as a trojan horse. But at that point, i'd lose any chance of winning. It would be pointless for me to continue being hostile towards the russian.
28 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Look, I have no reason to attack you now. Tyrr borders my lands directly and leaves you a buffer. Moveing Tyrolia would only leave my northern position exposed. I am going to stay in Tyrr so as to defend my flank. If you have a problem with that fill free to waste time and units moving South.
28 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: I m voting draw
28 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Russia, you might decide not to accept but germany and england are out. not fun anymore.
28 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Tell you what France, I changed my mind. Tyrrhenian will back down and move to the Ionian. I have a bad feeling about this next turn...
28 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Sorry Russia, my fears were unfounded. That move to Galicia really put me on edge and I saw you'd be getting 3 builds while I only got one. Having that much of a power gap was just too risky.
28 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: I guess that's fine as long as you move out of Smyrna and away from the Aegean and east med.
28 May 13 UTC Autumn, 1904: Lol
28 May 13 UTC Ok, so I am going to throw this idea out there and see if you are ok with it.

In an effort to stop myself from getting too spread thin and thus paranoid, I suggest we rearrange our borders to make a more continuous, and consequently more easily defendable, mass. I will give up all my claims in German territory, that I had prefiously planned to grab, to Russia in exchange for the rest of Turkey. You don't have to waste as many units defending and I can rest easy knowing my underbelly is not exposed. I'll use Bohemia to support you into Munich while you grab Kiel with Baltic/ Denmark. You get two builds to account for Con and Ankara while I move out of your way allowing for an easier expansion in the North. You have a lot more options with Germany AND England gone so what do you think?
29 May 13 UTC My 2 problems with that are that I'm already going to take Kiel unopposed and Smyrna was going to be mine so I'd want compensation of 3 SCs not including Kiel (but including Munich) and that would leave my underbelly exposed but I guess I would be fine with it as long as I get adequate compensation.
29 May 13 UTC btw my current orders are based on our old agreement of me taking Smyrna.
29 May 13 UTC I like dialogue among well mannered people. I call a draw.
29 May 13 UTC *for a draw
29 May 13 UTC It s not a tactical draw, it is a diplomatic draw. The game is quite balanced now, but no one i think really feels safe. Ending it now is elegant and reasonable.
29 May 13 UTC Well there are only three of us so we would each walk away with 79-80 points. I'm pretty happy with that. What do you think Russia?
29 May 13 UTC Also, Russia I can't give you three centers as compensation b/c you are already able to take too many. England is wide open for you, as is the remenants of Germany. You already have 12 and those two will give you 18. Sixteen if I take Con and Ankara. I can't just give you the win and you know that. I'm just trying to work something out where I don't get thrown under the bus on the way to victory.
29 May 13 UTC I agree with the draw. I realized that if i try anything i Was sure to get a double alliance against me and would certainly lose. This was a great game, shame about the nmrs
29 May 13 UTC the two of you have 13 (thirteen) units touching each other and you are talking "you give me this i give you that". A draw is elegant also because the three of us never fought each other. Lets keep it like that.
29 May 13 UTC Ok great game and congrats everybody!
29 May 13 UTC Ok great game gentlemen and congrats everybody!
29 May 13 UTC Ya it was a good game. Russia you were a solid ally so my apologies for not trusting you as much. Hope we can do this again, with fewer NMRs of course... ;)

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Russia
venergon (285 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 79 D
12 supply-centers, 12 units
Italy
kramerkov18 (1570 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 79 D
10 supply-centers, 10 units
France
gipsss (100 D)
Drawn. Bet: 30 D, won: 79 D
6 supply-centers, 6 units
Germany
jandrew9211 (100 D)
Resigned. Bet: 30 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
England
Resigned. Bet: 30 D
3 supply-centers, 3 units
Austria
namdrew (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 30 D
Turkey
Vincent199601 (100 D)
Defeated. Bet: 28 D
Civil Disorders
jandrew9211 (100 D)Germany (Autumn, 1904) with 3 centres.
rugden2 (119 D)Turkey (Spring, 1903) with 4 centres.
Vincent199601 (100 D)Turkey (Autumn, 1903) with 2 centres.
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